tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post6128377205382964464..comments2024-03-18T19:37:21.040-07:00Comments on One Cʘsmos: The Cosmic and Spiritual Retardation of Philosophical Darwinists (7.26.10)Gagdad Bobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comBlogger45125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-45776557579244503842008-08-16T08:41:00.000-07:002008-08-16T08:41:00.000-07:00hoarhey notes: "Viewing Vanderluen's picture, thir...hoarhey notes: "Viewing Vanderluen's picture, third from the left, seated, seems to me the only sane one in the bunch. ;*)"<BR/><BR/>And he is correct. That would be Wolfgang the Wonder Dog. Great dog. Brother to my great dog from the same litter, Potemkin.<BR/><BR/>German Shorthair Pointers both.vanderleunhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10296245324443413545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-26913542264467699262008-08-16T08:39:00.000-07:002008-08-16T08:39:00.000-07:00Thanks for the nod oh sage from the land of nod wh...Thanks for the nod oh sage from the land of nod who doth nod out.vanderleunhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10296245324443413545noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-86071624040864223662008-08-16T04:01:00.000-07:002008-08-16T04:01:00.000-07:00Van:"Nah, Ray'll even miss his own point."Well, I ...Van:<BR/>"Nah, Ray'll even miss his own point."<BR/><BR/>Well, I try to stay positive :)<BR/><BR/>/JohanAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-43040881093612646792008-08-16T00:01:00.000-07:002008-08-16T00:01:00.000-07:00Ray:"So, an avalancheneeds a whole cosmos as cause...Ray:<BR/>"So, an avalanche<BR/>needs a whole cosmos as cause.<BR/>Why not with humans?"<BR/><BR/>Johan:<BR/>I think we just had a major break through!<BR/><BR/>Nah, Ray'll even miss his own point. <BR/><BR/>Oh... too tired for more than tweaking Ray (is this how trolls feel all the time? yuck)... try an catch up tomorrow ....Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-77597306869812432102008-08-15T22:48:00.000-07:002008-08-15T22:48:00.000-07:00Christopher,"While I am sure, GBob, that what you ...Christopher,<BR/><BR/>"While I am sure, GBob, that what you write about the cosmos is securely right for me and for the others who agree with us, I am not so sure that you can take that out to the logical opposition to Darwinism."<BR/><BR/>I'm not sure if I completely agree with you on that point. I get what you're saying, but I think you're making a mistake in comparing Darwinism/ militant atheism to an allergy, which is a body's over-reaction to certain proteins which are harmless to most people. Rather, I think it's more like a poison reaction, akin to the response to small doses of arsenic over a long period. Or even, for that matter, akin to alcoholism. Can it serve a beneficial purpose? Sure, in certain circumstances. And some people develop a high tolerance, even a dependence on the stuff. But since it ultimately involves willfully cutting oneself off from the Absolute (and truly, if that's not hell I don't know what is), how can it be other than antithetical to that which is Good, True and Beautiful?<BR/><BR/>This is one of those things that doesn't strike me as a matter of opinion or personal preference, in spite of the fact that people have widely different opinions and personal preferences in regard to faith. Either O Is, with <I>all</I> that that implies, or O is not; whatever individuals <I>believe</I> will not change this fact. However, what we believe has a profound effect on how we interact with the world. <I>In this country</I>, atheism is an ideology that mostly affects, for better or worse, the individuals who dis-believe. And since they are surrounded by believers of every stripe, practicing or not, they receive a degree of immunity from the cultural fruits of atheism. <BR/><BR/>But in parts of the world where atheism is the norm, the results are cultural apathy at best, and outright inhumanity and atrocity at worst. This is not simply my opinion, it is verifiable fact. Why should that be true? If atheism is just another way to see the world, if Darwinism is simply a different perspective on the same great Truth, then why should the places which embraced these ideologies the most be so patently <I>anti</I>human?<BR/><BR/>Again, we do not dispute the findings of science - indeed, we embrace good science, because it reveals just as much about the nature of God as it does the nature of the world. It is those who would elevate science to the absolute (often in spite of actual scientific evidence or lack thereof) that must be faced. <BR/><BR/>I agree, wholeheartedly, that there are many ways to serve God, and that each of us has a unique calling. I know that there are many, even quite a few whom I respect and admire, who are atheists who serve the Good (and so serve God in spite of themselves). This does not mean that atheism is good, any more than it means that Global Warming Alarmism is good. It just means that some <I>people</I> cannot help but be generally good, regardless of what they believe.juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-63286863084432929732008-08-15T22:13:00.000-07:002008-08-15T22:13:00.000-07:00if I could onlyget out of this jar, I'm sureI was ...if I could only<BR/>get out of this jar, I'm sure<BR/><A HREF="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Corinthians%2013:12;&version=9" REL="nofollow">I was meant to fly</A><BR/><BR/>(Schoolin' at Susannah's)NoMohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01100042056270224683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-43690377988147276312008-08-15T21:53:00.000-07:002008-08-15T21:53:00.000-07:00We've got the object lesson for that on my blog, N...We've got the object lesson for that on my blog, Nomo. :DSusannahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16381272662339466736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-27009775286478701662008-08-15T21:30:00.000-07:002008-08-15T21:30:00.000-07:00and in that momentwe become a beginningbelieving i...and in that moment<BR/>we become a beginning<BR/>believing in HimNoMohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01100042056270224683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-17962993360826283692008-08-15T21:26:00.001-07:002008-08-15T21:26:00.001-07:00Susannah:Thought of you today when reading Moms Go...Susannah:<BR/>Thought of you today when reading <A HREF="http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=Y2JjNWMzMWRmNjg5MzUxOWZhMDYzZGE5Nzk0Y2RkNWE=" REL="nofollow">Moms Go for the Gold</A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-35725676657410214612008-08-15T21:26:00.000-07:002008-08-15T21:26:00.000-07:00"In other words, in studying any phenomenon, it is..."In other words, in studying any phenomenon, it is important to know what it is in its mature form. If you only study a caterpillar in an isolated slice of time, you won't know anything about its connection to butterflies."<BR/><BR/>Christ is the butterfly to our caterpillar?NoMohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01100042056270224683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-86724608876561903522008-08-15T21:21:00.000-07:002008-08-15T21:21:00.000-07:00"I'd rather eat barbed wire than listen to rap." A..."I'd rather eat barbed wire than listen to rap." Actually Robin, I remember that as ..."than listen to disco". But then I'm really old.NoMohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01100042056270224683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-49832371143628907422008-08-15T21:14:00.000-07:002008-08-15T21:14:00.000-07:00I'm concerned that Ray may have finally become a p...I'm concerned that Ray may have finally become a parody of a parody of himself...and that is a dangerous parody to be indeed.<BR/><BR/>Take care Ray, the Door may be fading from your view.NoMohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01100042056270224683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-22827324972343314322008-08-15T20:59:00.000-07:002008-08-15T20:59:00.000-07:00"But I could no more feed my soul with Darwinism t..."But I could no more feed my soul with Darwinism than I could stuff my body with Big Macs, or listen to rap music all day, or read Harlequin romances. Rather, I have a soul with very particular needs, and to be deprived of the means to fulfill those needs would be spiritual death -- which is to say, death."<BR/><BR/>GBob, this is true for you and also true for me. I am so sure, especially as I read the Coonifesto that you and I see the Cosmos in similar ways. And also, there are in fact other things in my life true for me, perhaps not true for you. Because I have lived with that awareness literally for all my life, I have to wonder what life would be like were I someone else. This leads somewhere promising and ultimately ends in awareness of more than my own likes, tendencies, prejudices, and even needs. The top end of that is what I call compassion. <BR/><BR/>I am still learning really basic true things about myself in the whole, just as you describe it in this post, including past and future histories. I am not yet that great at compassion.<BR/><BR/>But things that are true of me but not of most others...<BR/><BR/>Case in point: peanuts. I have food allergies. I could never eat peanuts on pain of survival. Starting in infancy, I also had severe asthma and all the other typical allergies, such that only living in a bubble (none really existed in the fifties) would have eased my life threatening condition. This allergy to peanuts of course still exists and I have to compensate by truly knowing my environment and my food.<BR/><BR/>Second case in point: potatoes. When I was twelve, we went to an allergist and he did sleuthing on my continuing difficult condition. What we found was that I was unknowingly as badly allergic to potatoes as to peanuts, but eating them as a staple. My immune system compensated but was so severely compromised in being used that way that I was allergic to so many other things not so much because I was but because there was no resistance left after dealing with the potatoes. It was a hidden condition and the allergist was an excellent doctor to find it.<BR/><BR/>So I know what it is that there is something that "poisons" me even though nearly everyone else can approach and use it with impunity. I also know what the consequence is of not knowing that and surviving for years in spite of being compromised, indeed a "hell" of sorts.<BR/><BR/>After a series of desensitizations, I soon had and now still have only mild forms of hay fever and sinus infections instead of trips to the hospital and all else.<BR/><BR/>This colors my consciousness such that I suspect these kinds of limitations exist in all the realms. There is body poison, heart poison, mind poison, soul poison. I hesitate in this light. Even in my certainty as to what is right for me, I think I should not write it so certainly as true for us all. I have too strong an experience of limits for that.<BR/><BR/>While I am sure, GBob, that what you write about the cosmos is securely right for me and for the others who agree with us, I am not so sure that you can take that out to the logical opposition to Darwinism. It is poisonous to you and for you would be hell if it were the only food. So you are mentally and spiritually allergic.<BR/><BR/>But I am not so sure that God agrees with your analysis of Darwinism. This Darwinist manifestation of difficulty in the spiritual landscape can as easily be orchestrated by God as it is a rebellion against Him, that is, that Darwinists ultimately serve His purpose. <BR/><BR/>AA is unabashedly spiritual, and in fact is Christian in the language of its literature, though anonymously so. Even so atheists come to AA, and according to tradition cannot be turned away. This sometimes creates tedium in the meetings of AA, but nothing like the turmoil that can be caused when severely pathological individuals somehow find a way to stay sober through AA and so persist without really getting less pathological. Those difficult people we also cannot easily turn away. This has been so from the start. We thrive anyway.<BR/><BR/>And me, even now, avoiding potatoes AND peanuts, I have survived and thrived too. I would never assume that potatoes and peanuts are bad for everyone. I thrive by not forgetting myself, by knowing who and where I am. I offer the removal of the symbols "potatoes" and "peanuts" and replacing them with some other symbols. The statement still makes sense.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-49426889786895706852008-08-15T20:29:00.000-07:002008-08-15T20:29:00.000-07:00I've not got the poet's mind. Taco mess o...I've not got the poet's mind. Taco mess on the counter, dirty children falling asleep without baths, our injured butterfly (we suppose, for it either won't or can't fly away), are not uniting into a whole for me.<BR/><BR/>Perhaps someone with a little more slack can make it all worthy of a haiku. <BR/><BR/>"How are people out of proportion Not sure what this is, but if it's what I think...an omnipresent I AM is not bound by proportion. He exists as manifestly present between entangled particles as he does between far-flung galaxies. Immanent/transcendent & all that. What Petey said.<BR/><BR/>"But at the same time, an effect cannot exceed its cause, most especially when we are talking about an 'infinite' effect. And make no mistake: the human subject partakes of the infinite and the absolute, even if some human subjects prefer to exile themselves to the relative and the finite. They are obviously free to do so, but they are only free to do so because freedom is real -- which is again to say that it partakes of the absolute."<BR/><BR/>There's no nay-saying that!Susannahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16381272662339466736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-9252901469503978222008-08-15T17:58:00.000-07:002008-08-15T17:58:00.000-07:00A burst of mock-kusprang up in my post today.Shall...A burst of <A HREF="http://juliecork.wordpress.com/" REL="nofollow">mock-ku</A><BR/>sprang up in my post today.<BR/>Shall we play a game?juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-30417548662898358592008-08-15T17:50:00.000-07:002008-08-15T17:50:00.000-07:00besides, there's just onecosmos, and it's just rig...besides, there's just one<BR/>cosmos, and it's just right for <BR/>love, truth, and beautyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-4439030227752483672008-08-15T17:46:00.000-07:002008-08-15T17:46:00.000-07:00The cosmos isn't big. Nor is it small. It is not...The cosmos isn't <BR/>big. Nor is it small. It is <BR/>nothing without mind.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-87825741516589798172008-08-15T17:19:00.000-07:002008-08-15T17:19:00.000-07:00Cosmoses are big.Really big. How are peopleout of ...Cosmoses are big.<BR/><I>Really</I> big. How are people<BR/>out of proportion?Ray Ingleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16290483120987779339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-68156829565729850212008-08-15T17:14:00.000-07:002008-08-15T17:14:00.000-07:00"the product of an evolutionary process is, and mu...<I>"the product of an evolutionary process is, and must be, potential at its beginnings..."</I><BR/><BR/>Okay, but... why can there be only <I>one</I> potential product?Ray Ingleshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16290483120987779339noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-64503308277360675862008-08-15T15:14:00.000-07:002008-08-15T15:14:00.000-07:00Evolution is built on the premise of chance, where...Evolution is built on the premise of chance, whereas the truth of Creation is built on intent. <BR/><BR/>It's not that they can't believe, it's that they won't believe, because believing will bring judgment on them for their unrighteousness and the need of God for atonement.<BR/><BR/>Our brother Paul had it right when he wrote to the Romans how man refused to believe in the Eternal and chose rather to believe and worship the creatures of his Providence. <BR/><BR/>song_and_dance_manAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-45285602413149216732008-08-15T14:24:00.000-07:002008-08-15T14:24:00.000-07:00We're playing Raccoon Friday?Kewl, here ya go.We're playing Raccoon Friday?<BR/><BR/>Kewl, here ya <A HREF="http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,24166772-12335,00.html" REL="nofollow">go.</A>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-25047770883452726502008-08-15T14:13:00.000-07:002008-08-15T14:13:00.000-07:00I just saved 3 hours and 59 minutes.I just saved <A HREF="http://www.flixxy.com/beijing-olympic-games-opening-ceremony.htm" REL="nofollow">3 hours and 59 minutes</A>.robinstarfishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15665546554663005609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-51745654387840453872008-08-15T13:56:00.000-07:002008-08-15T13:56:00.000-07:00Since it's Friday, more news about the magic of be...Since it's Friday, more news about the <A HREF="http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg19926694.500-beer-goggles-are-real--its-official.html?DCMP=ILC-hmts&nsref=news2_head_mg19926694.500" REL="nofollow">magic of beer</A> (brought to you by the Department of Studies of the Patently Obvious)juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-46442212697250466852008-08-15T12:32:00.000-07:002008-08-15T12:32:00.000-07:00JP:Precisely. Nonlocality is an artifact of the a...JP:<BR/><BR/>Precisely. Nonlocality is an artifact of the a priori wholeness of the cosmos. As such, it "must be," or we certainly could never have the nonlocal interior wholeness of the human subject.Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-87269652019989347352008-08-15T12:27:00.000-07:002008-08-15T12:27:00.000-07:00respond with chucklesor all-knowing sneersbut some...<I>respond with chuckles<BR/>or all-knowing sneers<BR/>but some paths are serious<BR/>'bout those thirty years</I><BR/><BR/>Which adds another aspect of time in one's reckoning -- as in, <I>do I have enough,</I> in practical terms?<BR/><BR/>I suppose the obvious reply is, <I>"Don't waste today!"</I>walthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01388218390016612051noreply@blogger.com