tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post5807647705911161032..comments2024-03-28T20:04:20.286-07:00Comments on One Cʘsmos: Circular Logic and Absolute StupidityGagdad Bobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-64520274525382172272012-03-20T14:06:18.234-07:002012-03-20T14:06:18.234-07:00Van said, ...but all they've succeeded in doin...Van said, <i>...but all they've succeeded in doing, is distancing themselves from reality.</i><br /><br />If they actually faced reality and dealt with it, like the rest of us do, they would lose their rallying cry, "<b>I'm a victim of circumstance!</b>"mushroomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07651027035577798096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-3565892180343356712012-03-20T13:50:32.849-07:002012-03-20T13:50:32.849-07:00Verdiales, I agree, and I think, too, that atheist...Verdiales, I agree, and I think, too, that atheists, even the idiotic "neo" variety like Dawkins, do Christians a service. A good enemy will make you stronger.<br /><br />Regarding a less conversationally awkward substitute for the very true <i>spousal</i>, I suggest <i>covenantal</i>, which, though weaker in some ways, is probably easier to kick back and forth around the campfire. Marriage, of course, is the covenant with which we are most familiar.mushroomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07651027035577798096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-29003828279401523012012-03-20T13:31:21.932-07:002012-03-20T13:31:21.932-07:00julie
well, I was hoping for something like "...julie<br /><br />well, I was hoping for something like "agapal" rather than "spousal" but I get your drift, and there just isn't a good beer and beef equivalent to "agape"Tonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00987042455512485699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-56740312304783709842012-03-20T13:28:24.708-07:002012-03-20T13:28:24.708-07:00"objective progress ... is rendered impossibl..."objective progress ... is rendered impossible in their metaphysic"<br /><br />ah, but subjective progress is easy and can be phrased thus:<br /><br />"no more harshings of my buzz"<br /><br />if you can sail through life without anyone thinking badly of your choices and actions, then you'll be living in a "realm of freedom" wrested from a realm of necessity<br /><br />all that was solid will have melted into air, your modernity will finally be "liquid," oceanic, untroubled<br /><br />anything that challenges your infantile fantasies will NOT be tolerated<br /><br />in fact, everyone will chip in so you can have free contraception<br /><br />whee!Tonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00987042455512485699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-17919131582637513422012-03-20T12:34:13.949-07:002012-03-20T12:34:13.949-07:00Verdiales - "I just thought this was deeper t...Verdiales - "I just thought this was deeper than eros, which is typically anxious and not very contemplative. "<br /><br />I do understand, and up until a few years ago, would have agreed with you. My perspective has since shifted.<br /><br />As to eros, I would argue that what people typically <i>think</i> of - lust, passion, possessiveness, etc. - when they hear the term are not considering the source from whence it comes. Like all Love, it is profound, and when concerning the Absolute it must therefore be the ultimate expression of unity, intimacy (closer than your own skin...), <i>knowledge</i>, Beauty, etc. Not for nothing is Christ's relationship to the church described as <i>spousal</i>, as opposed to parental or brotherly or anything else.<br /><br />What we tend to think of as "erotic" is but a pale shadow of the truth.<br /><br />All that said, some things do have to be (?!) to be believed :)juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-3882233790887349252012-03-20T12:00:34.304-07:002012-03-20T12:00:34.304-07:00" Once on that false path, no matter how rigo..." Once on that false path, no matter how rigorously one otherwise applies reason, one will be in a world that is fundamentally unreal."<br /><br />Whats interesting is that people think they are getting away with something, when they succeed in putting something over on others... but all they've succeeded in doing, is distancing themselves from reality.<br /><br />Wouldn't you think that'd hurt?<br /><br />But what am I saying, of course it hurts... been keeping psychologists & priests supplied with a booming business for ages.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-52151851086191932942012-03-20T11:42:38.153-07:002012-03-20T11:42:38.153-07:00Mush
I can't help but wonder whether half (or...Mush<br /><br />I can't help but wonder whether half (or more) of public fascination with soapbox atheists is based on the feeling of hilarity that rises up when one hears someone let loose some skillful stream of venom and invective.<br /><br />I confess to feeling a little bit of that hilarity when I hear Pat Condell rant about Islam. He gets off "zingers" which are fun to hear, but when you try to find substance behind the assertion, or logic, it's usually thin and low quality. <br /><br />I think a lot of people can see through this kind of thing and just appreciate a good rant for what it is.<br /><br />Nice to see atheists bickering among themselves in their little corners.Tonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00987042455512485699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-6901533453471845722012-03-20T11:33:59.770-07:002012-03-20T11:33:59.770-07:00hi Julie
"encounter profoundly"
Right,...hi Julie<br /><br />"encounter profoundly"<br /><br />Right, I just thought this was deeper than eros, which is typically anxious and not very contemplative. <br /><br />St. John of the Cross, Teresa of Avila ... I know, I know.Tonyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00987042455512485699noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-51579000008780981512012-03-20T09:21:45.117-07:002012-03-20T09:21:45.117-07:00When you understand the truth, it is hard not to t...When you understand the truth, it is hard not to think that everything will be all right. <br /><br />I don't know if you have seen this <a href="http://www.newstatesman.com/religion/2012/02/neo-atheism-atheists-dawkins" rel="nofollow">New Statesman piece, "The God Wars"</a>. <br /><br />A couple of agnostics and a couple of atheists take on what they call the neo-atheists. It's fairly long, but the comments on Dawkins are worth the price of admission. <br /><br />Apparently even atheists are being attacked for being too tolerant of religion. <br /><br /><i>“Why," she asks me, "are the followers of reason so unreasonable?"</i><br /><br />It also includes a bit about a couple of evolutionary psychologists who were attacked for "<i>a highly sophisticated analysis of Darwinian thought which concluded that the theory of natural selection could not be stated coherently</i>".mushroomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07651027035577798096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-38238860473542458422012-03-20T09:15:37.815-07:002012-03-20T09:15:37.815-07:00"There is religious conversion which is '...<i>"There is religious conversion which is 'being grasped by ultimate concern. It is an other-worldly falling in love....' The outcome of such conversion is that the Holy Spirit and the human spirit encounter profoundly" (Norris).</i><br /><br />Yes, just so. This neatly sums up my thoughts in response to Verdiales early last week, when he objected to the term "eros" as being overly enthusiastic. I could only disagree, but for whatever reason had a difficult time translating thought to word.juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.com