tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post5801146698549547038..comments2024-03-28T20:04:20.286-07:00Comments on One Cʘsmos: Free Atlas, Great God Almighty a Free Atlas!Gagdad Bobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comBlogger27125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-10850744209408130402011-01-19T20:01:07.857-08:002011-01-19T20:01:07.857-08:00"let us use this occasion to expand our moral..."let us use this occasion to expand our moral imaginations" - Big O<br /><br />Yeah, that one sort of stuck out at me as well as a particularly outstanding example of high sounding rhetoric that means bovine solid waste.<br /><br />My initial reaction to the excerpts I heard were ... for an Obama speech, it was pretty good considering the political climate, but the more I think about it, the more a lot of it sounds like "Hope" and "Change". Sound and fury that don't mean nutin'. And might mean worse.philmonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10385793223534322848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-64044931845386923422011-01-19T19:54:00.465-08:002011-01-19T19:54:00.465-08:00"For the superior man, nothing should be done..."For the superior man, nothing should be done artlessly."<br /><br />Your wordploys accomplish this quite nicely. I really enjoy them.<br /><br />A picture may paint a thousand words, but a good word fusion paints quite a picture itself.philmonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10385793223534322848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-65630252781167500182011-01-19T02:40:41.419-08:002011-01-19T02:40:41.419-08:00"Of course, they never explain how the elites..."Of course, they never explain how the elites who determine the preferred ends are able to escape the chain of epistemological causation and freely perceive a reality unconditioned by their class-based "false consciousness.""<br /><br />They don't have to because they're obviously by their position elite.phil ghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15486481489355451711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-66375241495812433432011-01-18T06:37:49.731-08:002011-01-18T06:37:49.731-08:00I think you'll all get a nice spontaneous &quo...I think you'll all get a nice spontaneous "Doh!" from this. It seems my time travelling leftie was attempting to find a cute and catchy way to sum up the irrefutable 'logic' of determinism and 'axiomatic' impossibility of free will.<br /><br />I think he seriously meant that since everything is caused, every thought and action is the result of the current sum of all previous causes and effects... sooo... if someone were to actually have 'moral free will' to freely make a choice, that would mean that in order to avoid screwing up the space time continuum, you & Doc Brown would have to go back in time and change the entire chain of cause and effect in your life, in order to result in the 'choice' you just made -<br /><br />[jaw agape while staring]<br /><br />How's that for an exercise in 'whatever I say proves that your disagreeing with me is wrong'? Leftist word for the day: 'rationalism'.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-20240139109244364242011-01-18T05:50:18.893-08:002011-01-18T05:50:18.893-08:00A truly vacuous blowhard. But beyond that, he cre...A truly vacuous blowhard. But beyond that, he creeps me out, so I can't even pay attention to what little content he purveys anyway.Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-46434563461302800982011-01-18T01:09:45.078-08:002011-01-18T01:09:45.078-08:00"Thus, without objective epistemological and ..."Thus, without objective epistemological and moral constraints -- i.e., truth and virtue -- we could be no more free than a person floating aimlessly in space with no orientation whatsoever."<br /><br />This reminded me of (one of) Obama's stupider platitudes during that AZ memorial puff rally he went to:<br /><br />"But what we can't do is use this tragedy as one more occasion to turn on one another. As we discuss these issues, let each of us do so with a good dose of humility. Rather than pointing fingers or assigning blame, let us use this occasion to expand our moral imaginations, to listen to each other more carefully, to sharpen our instincts for empathy, and remind ourselves of all the ways our hopes and dreams are bound together."<br /><br />Ace and many others have done a good job fisking Obama's speech (a lot not to like, including Obama's more Carterlike than Carter lack of leadership), and there's a crapload of fiskable material in that speech.<br /><br />I also agree with most conservatives that this is probably the very best we can hope for from someone like Obama... yeah, it could've been worse.<br /><br />But this part I haven't read any commentary on yet:<br /><br />"...expand our moral imaginations..."<br /><br />Okay, wtf is that? We already know Obama is average in intelligence at best, and registers bupkis in wisdom, but c'mon! WTF is that? <br /><br />Perhaps Obama is simple(yes he is!)y sayin' that neo-coms like him who have no moral constraints must try to imagine what good morals are since he obviously doesn't know (otherwise why seek to imagine it)? <br /><br />Afterall, it's not like there's anything to read (and learn from) about morals and the goodness and necessity of moral constraints, his blackberry bible (Black Liberation God Damn you Whitey, Jews and America edition) verse of the day notwithstanding. <br /><br />"Moral imaginations" much like his "audacity of hope" slogan demonstrates once again what a moron and proxymoron Obama really is. Sheesh.USS Ben USN (Ret)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07492369604790651538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-83194695971088629502011-01-17T23:56:26.534-08:002011-01-17T23:56:26.534-08:00Death by Liberalism-should be an interesting read....Death by Liberalism-should be an interesting read.<br /><br />http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/01/death_by_liberalism.htmldebasshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13546940741042023260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-72428194094071097522011-01-17T19:49:31.748-08:002011-01-17T19:49:31.748-08:00GB said: The book in the sidebar about Dante is a ...GB said: The book in the sidebar about Dante is a real gem.<br /><br />I've had the book for a few years now, I was glad to see it in the sidebar. Any chance you might take a tour through at some point? I've yet to find my way into the book yet...Jackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06708393262849661076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-48872735295886653542011-01-17T19:22:34.267-08:002011-01-17T19:22:34.267-08:00Gagdad said "Besides, "the axiomatic law...Gagdad said "Besides, "the axiomatic laws of thought" prove the existence of moral and intellectual freedom."<br /><br />Yeah, as you can imagine, I already drilled him on the logical impossibility of morality or even logic, without free will. But that bit really threw me... at first I thought he just garbled his comment, but he's serious. Hasn't yet fessed up with a source.<br /><br />"...This person sounds a little psychotic..."<br /><br />Well... full out leftist... yeah.<br /><br />Debass, lol, I'll be some of those random combinations made more sense than this one.<br /><br />Thanks guys.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-29610167476937847022011-01-17T17:47:49.461-08:002011-01-17T17:47:49.461-08:00Van-
I've seen that before. It's double s...Van-<br /><br />I've seen that before. It's double speak from an Ivory League Institution. When I was in grad. school, a prof. gave me a sheet of paper with a bunch of similar phrases. The directions were to use your phone number or any number combination and match them up to the phrases to make a complete nonsensical sentence.debasshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13546940741042023260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-62870707567085436822011-01-17T17:40:10.567-08:002011-01-17T17:40:10.567-08:00Never seen that specific sophistry before. This p...Never seen that specific sophistry before. This person sounds a little psychotic. Besides, "the axiomatic laws of thought" prove the existence of moral and intellectual freedom.Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-7536472929353941322011-01-17T17:30:38.151-08:002011-01-17T17:30:38.151-08:00Gagdad, this one was a new one on me, have you see...Gagdad, this one was a new one on me, have you seen an argument against free will like this one before? I don't think the poster could have come up with it himself, but bizarre doesn't seem to cover it,<br /><br />"<i>...We DO have consciousness. However, nothing within our causal universe – including us – can have moral “free will” as a matter of the axiomatic laws of thought and deductive logic.<br /><br />2. Since the concept of moral "free will" is fallacious, it's an impossible situation like living our lives backward from old age to birth. This impossibility renders the phrasing of your clarification meaningless, akin to speculating how well suited any system of politics would be to governing a collection of individuals who live life in reverse...</i>"<br /><br />I haven't had a chance to check around on it yet, just curious if you've come across it before.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-24143674259018247442011-01-17T15:06:29.458-08:002011-01-17T15:06:29.458-08:00Enema-wasn't he a (?)rap artist?
Excellent po...Enema-wasn't he a (?)rap artist?<br /><br />Excellent post again today. You have been on a hot streak lately.<br />Even music is not free. If you eliminate every musical constraint, you have white noise. Free is often delineated from free will. The freedom to choose is what the left wants to eliminate and half the country wants someone else to choose for them. Because with choice comes responsibility and consequences. All these leftist ideas are about limiting your choice while boasting about being pro choice.<br />I've started asking my liberal friends, "Besides the extermination of Jews and the unborn, can you think of any successful leftist ideas? They usually exercise their freedom to leave at that point.<br /><br />wv-meaverjo-a tribe of average native ameican prostitutes?debasshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13546940741042023260noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-510590914224469502011-01-17T14:44:52.773-08:002011-01-17T14:44:52.773-08:00I would say Lasch is unnecessary to a cosmic educa...I would say Lasch is unnecessary to a cosmic education.Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-62062023908709464402011-01-17T14:37:29.029-08:002011-01-17T14:37:29.029-08:00...their principle lie is that human beings are me...<i>...their principle lie is that human beings are mere objects who are defined by race, class and gender, and who react in a deterministic way to the environment around them.<br /><br />This leads logically to their theory of government, which posits a large and intrusive state to manipulate people toward its preferred ends. Of course, they never explain how the elites who determine the preferred ends are able to escape the chain of epistemological causation and freely perceive a reality unconditioned by their class-based "false consciousness."</i><br /><br />Been quite a while since I commented here, but this coincided a bit too perfectly for me not to say something. I have been mulling this idea for the past two weeks or so, and next thing you know, it pops out here, fully formed. Sweet!<br /><br />The gears got turning after recently hearing a news clip on the radio. I'm not entirely sure what caught my attention (probably my disgust with the popular use of statistics... don't get me started), I don't even remember the story, but I remember noting that everything was discussed as though a person had no individual choice in anything. The assumption through all of it was that people (as individuals and as a group) will react predictably to given inputs, like, say, animals. And the more I think about almost anything I have read in the paper or heard on the news (as little as I expose myself to either), the more pervasive I find this assumption to be. I suppose that when you remove the burden of responsibility from individuals, treating them in this manner a logical outcome.<br /><br />As a brief aside, Bob, any thoughts on the work of Christopher Lasch?<br /><br /><i>wv is 'bongs'. Heh.</i>Paul Griffinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11266956202232070017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-91728445491395991202011-01-17T14:10:59.764-08:002011-01-17T14:10:59.764-08:00From the excerpts available, it does look good. I ...From the excerpts available, it does look good. I picked up The Divine Comedy a few months back, but didn't get very far into it. I was too tired to focus. Maybe worth trying again sometime soon...juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-35760484705674753502011-01-17T13:39:55.041-08:002011-01-17T13:39:55.041-08:00The book in the sidebar about Dante is a real gem....The book in the sidebar about Dante is a real gem. Far too rich for one sitting. I keep getting up and walking around after every paragraph or two to try to digest it.Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-14309333946034824712011-01-17T12:41:36.645-08:002011-01-17T12:41:36.645-08:00Ye shall know the latter by their fruitlessness
A...<i>Ye shall know the latter by their fruitlessness</i><br /><br />As an antidote to all the liberal insanity that's been injected into the body politic, here's a new interview with one of the more fruit-<i>FUL</i> Americans alive today.<br /><br /><a href="http://www.ideasinactiontv.com/episodes/2011/01/thomas-sowell.html" rel="nofollow">Thomas Sowell: A Conversation With One of America's Leading Conservatives</a>Stephen Macdonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13474300559219020772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-10019216277566506052011-01-17T11:20:13.449-08:002011-01-17T11:20:13.449-08:00I don't think I'd want to join any group t...I don't think I'd want to join any group that would have me as a member...Marxnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-47676205207548988032011-01-17T11:18:01.494-08:002011-01-17T11:18:01.494-08:00Hey, there's a joining button! If we get with ...Hey, there's a joining button! If we get with the collective, do we have to pay dues?<br /><br />Dupree - so wrong. I laughed anyway.juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-31615805343167441282011-01-17T11:16:38.408-08:002011-01-17T11:16:38.408-08:00Fleet don't fail me now!<a href="http://www.fleetlabs.com/fleet_enema_products.php?panel=0" rel="nofollow">Fleet</a> don't fail me now!Cousin Dupreenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-73082815361707402192011-01-17T11:05:17.461-08:002011-01-17T11:05:17.461-08:00"Rather, in a free society such as ours, obst..."Rather, in a free society such as ours, obstacles to freedom are clearly situated within. As we ascend vertically, we can flush away these impurities, which is why man is his own best enema."<br /><br />Very true, butt... could have done without the visual.<br /><br />Just sayin'Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-67966088201825677482011-01-17T10:31:33.152-08:002011-01-17T10:31:33.152-08:00I'm reminded of a big chunk of tripe I read ye...I'm reminded of a big chunk of <a href="http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/01/17/110117fa_fact_brooks?currentPage=all" rel="nofollow">tripe</a> I read yesterday via Schniederman, which basically argued for materialism but claimed "Over the past few decades, geneticists, neuroscientists, psychologists, sociologists, economists, and others have made great strides in understanding the inner working of the human mind. Far from being dryly materialistic, their work illuminates the rich underwater world where character is formed and wisdom grows." However, once you reach the end of the article, that's basically where you are left - a strange sort of materialist mysticism that doesn't allow for anything beyond physical processes, but makes it alright because everything's connected. <br /><br />"There weren’t even words for the traits that matter most—having a sense of the contours of reality, being aware of how things flow, having the ability to read situations the way a master seaman reads the rhythm of the ocean."<br /><br />No, dude, there are plenty of words for those traits, they just aren't to be found in neuroscience or physics or biology.juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-37466681374383194432011-01-17T10:24:56.991-08:002011-01-17T10:24:56.991-08:00Dloye:
Ditto.Dloye:<br /><br />Ditto.Stephen Macdonaldhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13474300559219020772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-40987187513595617872011-01-17T10:10:12.893-08:002011-01-17T10:10:12.893-08:00Home run in my ball field.
...If we remove such...Home run in my ball field. <br /><br />...<i>If we remove such constraints we are "free," but in a way that is just as meaningless as being fully determined. Without these constraints, freedom devolves to "just another word for nothing left to lose."</i><br /><br />The little Baptist U where I got some edumacation with my degree had as its motto, "veritas vos liberabit." The truth will set you free. I always figured that to be a total nonsequitur, as if you know the truth, doesn't it bind you? But it's becoming more and more evident to me that it's a wonderful paradocs of truth, faith and light. This post will be useful to me as I continue to try to digest some of "Lazarus come forth."dloyehttp://www.dloye.com/myblog/wordpressnoreply@blogger.com