tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post5507476034151804094..comments2024-03-28T12:10:26.197-07:00Comments on One Cʘsmos: The First and Last Temptation of BarackGagdad Bobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-41106811037873521842014-11-09T09:22:09.661-08:002014-11-09T09:22:09.661-08:00Re. switching cultures, one of my sisters-in-law c...Re. switching cultures, one of my sisters-in-law converted to Judaism, and is also as white-bread as they come. We only recently learned it was considered a scandal in the family, but almost everyone is over it. We still don't know how they're going to react about my husband becoming Catholic, though...juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-86840821064216987362014-11-09T08:36:06.461-08:002014-11-09T08:36:06.461-08:00Mushroom-- file under Breaking Down Doors That Are...Mushroom-- file under Breaking Down Doors That Are Already Wide Open.Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-11092518681335592652014-11-09T08:33:54.114-08:002014-11-09T08:33:54.114-08:00You should watch the Journey Home on EWTN (there&#...You should watch the Journey Home on EWTN (there's also a best of Journey home once a week -- there have been about 800 episodes, and I've never seen a bad one).Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-60357898061119073262014-11-09T08:33:27.352-08:002014-11-09T08:33:27.352-08:00I read Joan's link. If I were going to get a ...I read Joan's link. If I were going to get a tattoo, I might base it on this:<br /><i><br />The sisters did not want to save the world. Someone already had. </i><br /><br />Probably not all that original but all that true.mushroomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07651027035577798096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-24897572022448629322014-11-09T08:27:33.230-08:002014-11-09T08:27:33.230-08:00I hope no one reads what I said as some criticism ...I hope no one reads what I said as some criticism of Orthodox Christianity. Not at all. But more of a report from the front lines on what it and I "works out betwixt us." We is at an impass for awhile.<br /><br />But mostly, I can't get over the ochlophobist's transformation. I'm moved by it greatly.Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13720790978632771716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-83679144744768503732014-11-09T08:19:06.306-08:002014-11-09T08:19:06.306-08:00You can't immanentize the eschaton without an ...You can't <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immanentize_the_eschaton" rel="nofollow">immanentize</a> the eschaton without an eschaton to immanentize. Ericnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-44755739659082847952014-11-09T08:14:20.090-08:002014-11-09T08:14:20.090-08:00Vis-a-vis my F in L, this would suggest that perha...Vis-a-vis my F in L, this would suggest that perhaps anti-Christian leftists are "as Christian as can be," which I think is generally true. For example, their pathological tolerance, or unjust pursuit of justice, could only occur in a Christian context. Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-44437753046954215832014-11-09T08:10:16.152-08:002014-11-09T08:10:16.152-08:00It's true -- in practice, there is often a thi...It's true -- in practice, there is often a thick ethnicity to Orthodoxy, similar, say, to trying to become Jewish. I have a friend who converted to Judaism, but he is as white bread as I am. Conversely, my father-in-law was anti-Semitic but as Jewish as can be... <br /><br />Jung once made a sensible comment about the difficulty of trying to adopt a religion outside one's culture. Most westerners can only <i>pretend</i> to become Buddhist, or Hindu, or Muslim (yeah, I'm lookin' at you, Mr. S). Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-81548699506231307102014-11-09T07:29:02.300-08:002014-11-09T07:29:02.300-08:00Bob, your comment about the Louth book for some re...Bob, your comment about the Louth book for some reason made me wonder about this other blogger "the ochlophobist". I ran across him I think by some link left by River. Great thinker/writer Othodox guy was this Oclophobist but there was this something mildly hostile in his personality. Anyway I left there but not because of that. He had eventually decided to stop blogging. Then he dropped off the face of the earth. I googled him a few times from time to time over a couple years but nothing turned up except a rumor that he converted to Catholicism. The last thing one one expect. Anyway, no other trace. Until I googled him yesterday and turns out it might be true. He is blogging again and he sounds like someone else. That hostility is gone. But in a way that it he truely sounds like another person. Genuinely.<br />I'll provide a link if any is interested. But I'm headed somewhere else: was reading his explanation for why he left and this lead to the comments and other threads and Blogger's and this comment by some guy (not the Oclophobist). His name is Reed Robinson:<br />"I believe that I left [the Orthodox church] because I felt as though I was an intruder in the Liturgy. I loved the whole experience, yet always felt that I strayed too far from what I knew. The bowing, the kissing, the repetition, felt both right and wrong for me simultaneously. I miss the Orthodox Church terribly, yet have no answer as to how I could go back and stick it out. I could never “catch up” in the culture. As I write, my reasons sound silly, yet I’m not sure how to reference my heart in these few words. I wish that I had been born in to the Orthodox tradition. I still search, but at sixty I have begun to doubt that I will find “home” until I pass and enter into Glory."<br /><br />It's weird, is my point, (weird in a good way), to run across someone's private thoughts freshly written that sound so precisely as if they were your own. Because they are your own private thoughts freashly read.<br />I think. Not trying to convince anyone of anything either.<br />Ah well, here's the Oclophobist post if I make more sense to include it:<br />http://theochlophobist.blogspot.com/2014/03/there-is-post-on-my-old-friend-fr.html?m=1Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13720790978632771716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-30453595593028125742014-11-08T10:35:35.051-08:002014-11-08T10:35:35.051-08:00Speaking of Orthodoxy (upper case this time), this...Speaking of Orthodoxy (upper case this time), this new book by <a href="http://www.amazon.com/dp/0830840451/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_S_ttl?_encoding=UTF8&colid=1M0Z9KRTC1IB&coliid=I18YS7377SBOPO" rel="nofollow">Andrew Louth</a> looks good. I've read a number of his books in the past & liked them all, especially <i>Origins of the Christian Mystical Tradition</i>.Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-86012382916577918582014-11-08T09:36:28.719-08:002014-11-08T09:36:28.719-08:00I like that. I think it may go for charity too; th...I like that. I think it may go for charity too; that perhaps God asks me to be charitable, not for His sake or my neighbor as much as for mine. I mean, why does He prefer I give my cloak to my neighbor. God being God could grant these things all the live-long-day. If He did, when would I?Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13720790978632771716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-89624957272438848452014-11-08T09:20:53.765-08:002014-11-08T09:20:53.765-08:00I was just reading that; much food for thought, th...I was just reading that; much food for thought, there. It would be really interesting to sit in on one of his classes.juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-690507681277240712014-11-08T09:11:35.565-08:002014-11-08T09:11:35.565-08:00A good wisecrack from Just Thomism:
"It is c...A good wisecrack from Just Thomism:<br /><br />"It is correct that the precise reason why God hates Joe’s sins is because of what they do to Joe, and so God does not just happen to love sinners and hate sins, but the first is the chief reason for the second. This is something that needs to be said more often: God does not hate sins because of his love of abstract laws but of concrete persons, and a good deal of moralizing can be condemned for just such a devotion to the abstract. But if we press the ontological division of the sinner and sin to an extreme we end up concluding that there is an impenetrable wall between who we are and what we do, which commits us to saying that none of our actions have any effect in determining who we are. And so an axiom which proves a universal human dignity, if separated from the larger reality in which it is embedded, ends up denying something at the heart of the very dignity it establishes i.e. the ability for persons to determine what they will be."USS Ben USN (Ret)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07492369604790651538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-87529548516535239542014-11-08T08:55:40.176-08:002014-11-08T08:55:40.176-08:00Hate's a nice place to visit, but I wouldn'...Hate's a nice place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there.Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13720790978632771716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-31003939798329230052014-11-08T08:54:53.758-08:002014-11-08T08:54:53.758-08:00"Rick--
What UF says makes perfect sense, i..."Rick-- <br /><br />What UF says makes perfect sense, in that spiritual gravity seems to be analogous to physical gravity, where the attraction is always mutual. Furthermore, if gravity is the curvature of spacetime, then it is again like a basin of attraction. <br /><br />You might say that one of the differences between orthodox and evangelicals is over the question of whether saints (or Mary, or certain shrines, etc.) are attractors. In my experience they are. In fact, UF exerts a powerful attraction from beyond the grave!<br /><br />I don't know if I believe in them. I only depend on them."<br /><br />I cooncur, Bob. <br />If the fruit of attractors, or saints is love, truth and goodness I cannot see why one shouldn't be attracted to them and their wisdom.<br /><br />Afterall, they are a part of God's hierachy, so to speak. <br />When one seeks wisdom from an attractor it isn't worship in any sense of the Word.USS Ben USN (Ret)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07492369604790651538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-90359416063656630262014-11-08T08:46:50.972-08:002014-11-08T08:46:50.972-08:00Excellent article, Joan.
It's amazing what emb...Excellent article, Joan.<br />It's amazing what embracing gratitude can fo to focus us on love rather than unjustified hate, and truth rather than lies.<br /><br />Leftism is unsustainable when one has gratitude and becomes unravelled and exposed to truth, which is why most virulent leftists hate anyone who doesn't share their envy.<br />USS Ben USN (Ret)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07492369604790651538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-44363641892127250672014-11-08T08:44:47.186-08:002014-11-08T08:44:47.186-08:00There must be a correlation between all that hate ...There must be a correlation between all that hate and cranio-rectal inversion; I wonder what percentage of leftists spend their lives investigating their own guts only to wonder why it is that they are virtually never happy? And when they are, it is usually because a conservative woman got punched in the face, or something equally uplifting.juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-252471096137824822014-11-08T08:38:23.829-08:002014-11-08T08:38:23.829-08:00Which goes to Joan's link, because I agree tha...Which goes to Joan's link, because I agree that the most obnoxious thing about the left is the hatred. I can't imagine being attracted to that.Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-76637328875493185032014-11-08T08:36:40.967-08:002014-11-08T08:36:40.967-08:00Of note, "love" seems to be the medium o...Of note, "love" seems to be the medium of attraction. or maybe just the name for it. Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-84276586977242488962014-11-08T08:34:37.727-08:002014-11-08T08:34:37.727-08:00Rick--
What UF says makes perfect sense, in that...Rick-- <br /><br />What UF says makes perfect sense, in that spiritual gravity seems to be analogous to physical gravity, where the attraction is always mutual. Furthermore, if gravity is the curvature of spacetime, then it is again like a basin of attraction. <br /><br />You might say that one of the differences between orthodox and evangelicals is over the question of whether saints (or Mary, or certain shrines, etc.) are attractors. In my experience they are. In fact, UF exerts a powerful attraction from beyond the grave!<br /><br />I don't know if I believe in them. I only depend on them. Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-32285540388484899042014-11-08T06:02:07.859-08:002014-11-08T06:02:07.859-08:00Another one crosses the line. One simple moment of...<a href="http://www.frontpagemag.com/2014/danusha-v-goska/ten-reasons-why-i-am-no-longer-a-leftist/" rel="nofollow">Another one crosses the line.</a> One simple moment of overkill was all it took.Joan of Argghh!https://www.blogger.com/profile/14729682908266300507noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-32391184062978865832014-11-08T03:07:29.693-08:002014-11-08T03:07:29.693-08:00Also, Mush said this yesterday,
"The Sabbath...Also, Mush said this yesterday,<br /><br />"The Sabbath is not a rule to bind us, but a rule to release us."<br /><br />Can we say that if something is inspiring that it must have been inspired? I hope so.Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13720790978632771716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-85547351555373999552014-11-08T03:03:28.821-08:002014-11-08T03:03:28.821-08:00Bob, I like this avenue. Please proceed.
UF had t...Bob, I like this avenue. Please proceed.<br /><br />UF had this to say just the other night,<br />"However every temptation is similar to a two- way flow of traffic. Because when evil tempts good, it is itself at the same time “tempted” by the latter. Temptation always entails contact , and therefore an exchange of influence. Every beautiful temptress, in attempting to tempt a saint, risks finishing up by “wetting his feet with her tears, wiping them with the hair of her head, kissing them, and annointing them with ointment” (Luke vii, 38)."Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13720790978632771716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-68375195222320970212014-11-07T23:15:58.791-08:002014-11-07T23:15:58.791-08:00Skully dons a white wig:
Grog is a God given right...Skully dons a white wig:<br />Grog is a God given right. USS Ben USN (Ret)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07492369604790651538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-17975294791949627532014-11-07T22:55:38.463-08:002014-11-07T22:55:38.463-08:00Ben, I knew that was what you meant, but Skully, I...Ben, I knew that was what you meant, but Skully, I'm pretty sure he was angling for 'life, liberty and the pursuit of free Grog'ness'. <br /><br />Gots to keep an eye (as available)on them pirates.<br /><br />Rrrr.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.com