tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post5391548488628074184..comments2024-03-28T20:04:20.286-07:00Comments on One Cʘsmos: The Common Good and Other IllusionsGagdad Bobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-70135373469426333652016-05-27T14:41:22.542-07:002016-05-27T14:41:22.542-07:00Today, yesterday... Quite a contrast.
http://one...Today, yesterday... Quite a contrast. <br />http://onecosmos.blogspot.com/2006/04/noble-raccoons-trousered-baboons-and.html<br /><br />Does everything everywhere, despite best vertical intentions, have to eventually degrade (and diminish) into trivial battles for control of the horizontal? <br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-50284393895342006282016-05-24T11:43:19.232-07:002016-05-24T11:43:19.232-07:00I'm on Van's tab. Err... donation basket?...I'm on Van's tab. Err... donation basket?It's the culturenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-88660584205984337602016-05-24T11:14:19.329-07:002016-05-24T11:14:19.329-07:00I'm sorry, is this a five minute argument or d...I'm sorry, is this a five minute argument or did you pay for the full half hour?Is This the Right Room for an Argument?https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwiAldLsp_PMAhWRPB4KHXpLCH4QtwIIJTAB&url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v%3DhnTmBjk-M0c&usg=AFQjCNGuL2qUQNlBfDkqlKEATWnrzeroWg&sig2=Nef-p5LUReQQlfdU_ci6Ewnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-35576904251697492382016-05-24T10:10:29.083-07:002016-05-24T10:10:29.083-07:00Nope, this isn't a debating kind of place. No...Nope, this isn't a debating kind of place. Not like it used to be anyways. More a church with some variation of "Amen." being the expected comment. Somebody shouting out "the pope is a psychopath!" during the service, whether true or not, means the designated elder will try and escort you out the door.It's the culturenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-41260108264482566902016-05-24T06:19:09.918-07:002016-05-24T06:19:09.918-07:00ITC, just because we aren't arguing with you, ...ITC, just because we aren't arguing with you, that doesn't mean we agree with you.Just Sayin'noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-2088333028367490932016-05-24T03:28:01.208-07:002016-05-24T03:28:01.208-07:00it's the cultcure said "Everybody else sa...it's the cultcure said "Everybody else saw this one coming at my first comment. And who got fished in?"<br /><br />HA!!! You definitely got that one right. Ta.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-2516739510806466322016-05-23T22:47:19.911-07:002016-05-23T22:47:19.911-07:00You don't even know what the word means. Mayb...You don't even know what the word means. Maybe Aristotle will tell you. Written just for just sayin' all-talkers like you:<br /><br />http://www.nationalreview.com/article/435195/donald-trump-won-because-many-republicans-arent-conservative<br /><br />A few more for the list. I'll be sure to email them your eleventy billion page nonsensical scotch-addled post.<br /><br />"The sociopathic part of him, I think, believes himself. he says these lies and he also believes them"<br />“a sociopathic madman”<br />-Ben Howe <br /><br />http://www.redstate.com/leon_h_wolf/2016/04/03/donald-trump-isnt-just-pro-choice-hes-also-sociopath/<br /><br />http://reason.com/archives/2016/02/25/donald-trumps-orgy-of-irresponsibility<br />Whoops, Libertarians. Incapable of reason. My bad.<br /><br />http://www.nationalreview.com/article/433296/donald-trump-stupid-psychopath-ignorance-policy-complex-problems<br /><br />Everybody else saw this one coming at my first comment. And who got fished in? It's the culturenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-26418916488336174722016-05-23T21:39:22.103-07:002016-05-23T21:39:22.103-07:00Someone's compulsion is sounding just a wee bi...Someone's compulsion is sounding just a wee bit sociopathic. <br /><br />Just sayin'Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-22295689081449444842016-05-23T18:06:52.190-07:002016-05-23T18:06:52.190-07:00"The alternative to a proper Rule of Law, is ..."The alternative to a proper Rule of Law, is the rule of some men whose Will are given power over all men."<br /><br />You think? Maybe you should tell your buddy Hoft that. BTW, I read your blog post. Have any luck persuading these “kooks”?<br /><br />Trump is a pathological narcissistic psychopath:<br />http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/01/30/2903448/<br /><br />“Unequivocally, I am not supporting Donald Trump. I think he’s a sociopath.”<br />-Gordon Humphrey<br /><br />“No, I think I know exactly who I’m getting. I think I’m getting a sociopathic maniac. And not only do I feel like that’s who I’m getting, I think that if Donald Trump was president we have four years of him defining conservatism.”<br />-Ben Stowe<br /><br />“a political sociopath.”<br />-George Will<br /><br />Oh no wait. No comments. Again.It's the culturenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-90411394807615454572016-05-23T16:41:38.862-07:002016-05-23T16:41:38.862-07:00I said "Begone"
Actually I swyped(motio...I said "Begone" <br />Actually I swyped(motion typed) "Enough", and somehow it got 'corrected' to begone... how, I'm puzzled over, but hey, when the eCoonosphere intervenes, sometimes you just go with it. Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-18602509416097016322016-05-23T15:48:11.931-07:002016-05-23T15:48:11.931-07:00it's the cultcure said "It’s not all abou...it's the cultcure said "It’s not all about you"<br /><br />Words you'd do well to take to heart. <br /><br />The alternative to a proper Rule of Law, is the rule of some men whose Will are given power over all men. If you don't think that's tailor made for your sociopaths, you're an even bigger kook than you sound. <br /><br />Begone.<br />Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-10810600194117471832016-05-23T10:21:46.914-07:002016-05-23T10:21:46.914-07:00There are no Communists anymore. At least I have ...There are no Communists anymore. At least I have never met one. There is Davila-nism. <br /><br />#2,987 Concerning himself intensely with his neighbor’s condition allows the Christian to dissimulate to himself his doubts about the divinity of Christ and the existence of God. Charity can be the most subtle form of apostasy. <br /><br />Ignore the word of God:<br />https://www.openbible.info/topics/charity<br /><br />Sarcasm aside, some of Davila does makes sense to me. But some does not. Such is human nature. the word of God always makes sense to me. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-11979639726586250292016-05-23T08:21:21.623-07:002016-05-23T08:21:21.623-07:00I can no longer sit back and allow Communist infil...I can no longer sit back and allow Communist infiltration, Communist indoctrination, Communist subversion and the international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids.Rippernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-61026236867215292112016-05-23T08:16:09.078-07:002016-05-23T08:16:09.078-07:00It’s not all about you. All most average, typical...It’s not all about you. All most average, typical people really care about, is the hope for a better future for themselves and their families. Any philosophy without regard for what is by far, the most culturally influential pathology, is blind. Any philosophy which cannot indelibly influence the masses might as well be dead. I didn’t write the rules.<br /><br />Case in point:<br /><br />“...a people who understand what is right and wrong, who understand that the individual rights which apply to themselves, apply to everyone else to, who respect justice, those people can enjoy a Rule of Law in civil society, and a people who govern themselves by such laws, are poor prospects for 'sociopaths' to flourish among.”<br /><br />Sounds fantastic. In theory, highly tenable. But it is far from current reality. I have witnessed single sociopaths taking over entire office cultures, which were populated by mostly fellow Christian conservatives, who were far too unwittingly and easily influenced by lies geared towards eliminating best and brightest competition to the sociopath. In those environments culture easily trumped Rule of Law.<br /><br />But since you’re not experienced, have never been experienced, in this way, what do you care? Fine. Then explain the mess that is the Middle East without discussing any sociopathic influences.<br />It's the culturenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-25473219545372846132016-05-22T13:02:45.764-07:002016-05-22T13:02:45.764-07:00it's the cultcure said "So I disagree wit...it's the cultcure said "So I disagree with you, then you cut off communication and blame me? That is called projection."<br /><br />No, it's called experience. Long experience has taught me that one or more of the following points will very likely apply in further discussions of this topic with you,<br /><br />1) Those who affirm one form or another of predestination, or that people are 'born that way', tend to show themselves as being advocates of determinism and (implicitly or explicitly) deny Free Will altogether, which in itself makes further discussion pointless (a realization I've had after numerous extended debates on this site alone), but on top of that, as you likely do so not as a primary, but as a side issue to your central compulsion, makes further discussion of it highly uninteresting to me.<br /><br />or,<br /><br />2) Your comment that "It is only at that very genetic extreme where this is, so far, very difficult or not possible" gives the impression that a person's personality and moral judgment can be determined genetically, like color-blindness, which is not only something that I deeply disagree with, but it too tends towards determinism by another name. See previous point.<br /><br />or,<br /><br />3) You've been trying to legitimize your points by argument from the authority of "M. Scott Peck was a respected Christian psychologist". Unfortunately, as he's a fellow who's <i>mostly</i> unknown to me, he has little currency with me - the offer of paper money with no known gold reserves behind it. On top of that, he suffers from repeated association with the likes of Deepak Chopra and the esteem of Opra Winfrey, which leads me to suspect that he has more to offer along the lines of depacking the chopra, than with imparting truth and wisdom. I could be wrong, but I've little interest in finding out, as there are not only many more fish in the sea, but with fish the likes of Josef Pieper, Aquinas, Aristotle, etc., my plate is already plenty full and tasty. <br /><br />or,<br /><br />4) Your compulsive interest in Sociopaths, is of little or no interest to me. I'm interested in Philosophy not pathologies.<br /><br />Any one or combination of these points makes the discussion itself of little interest for me in continuing. Maybe another topic might be worth pursuing, but not this one. <br /><br />That's not projection, that's simply an experienced judgment call.<br /><br /><br />Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-46415954257235441392016-05-22T09:59:43.368-07:002016-05-22T09:59:43.368-07:00“Is that you, Dexter?”
Don’t I wish. Would’ve co...“Is that you, Dexter?”<br /><br />Don’t I wish. Would’ve come in handy. Sadly, I have a conscience. Successful sociopaths rarely ever reveal weakness or uncertainty, since many normals believe perfect appearances = trustworthy uberman. M. Scott Peck learned that one the hard way. Late in life he admitted to not being perfect (as are all normals), and got hammered for it. For many normals casting stones is a mental defense. Sociopaths don’t have mental defenses. They know full well what they’re doing and are good at getting normals to do the stone casting for them. <br />It's the culturenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-81744840825185782162016-05-21T20:12:46.186-07:002016-05-21T20:12:46.186-07:00*corrections:
psychiatrist, "People of the L...*corrections: <br />psychiatrist, "People of the Lie"<br /><br />Read it, figure out how to fit these people into civil society, be a hero to many.It's the culturenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-87419392790936191592016-05-21T19:58:24.115-07:002016-05-21T19:58:24.115-07:00So I disagree with you, then you cut off communica...So I disagree with you, then you cut off communication and blame me? <br /><br />That is called projection.<br /><br />BTW, the overwhelming percentage of the population is not sociopathic. They can usually be educated and reasoned with, give or take. It is only at that very genetic extreme where this is, so far, very difficult or not possible.<br /><br />M. Scott Peck was a respected Christian psychologist who expressed his thoughts about sociopaths in his "Children of the Lie". He's more hopeful about curing them than I am. A good place for the non-determinist to start.It's the culturenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-7687143971870814882016-05-21T18:30:45.134-07:002016-05-21T18:30:45.134-07:00It's the cultcure said "Completely disagr...It's the cultcure said "Completely disagree...."<br /><br />Seeing as people are just born that way, you obviously can't actually be convinced of anything either, or actually argue or think, nor can you expect the same from anyone else... so... this is all kinda pointless, right? Ascribing to any of the variations on determinism, disqualifies you from being able to claim to think as well, so I'm seeing no reason to continue this. Must not have been meant to be.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-60546198384649869662016-05-21T13:04:00.794-07:002016-05-21T13:04:00.794-07:00Van: “That sounds like an example of a dangerous s...Van: “That sounds like an example of a dangerous simplification of what I said...”<br /><br />The simplification is that there could be a time when elected officials aren’t much more than managers of enforcement and compliance to Rule of Law, and that voting them in or out be primarily dependent on the metrics regarding such. <br /><br />Sociopaths despise (actual, honest, real) metrics.It's the culturenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-88878364080957499712016-05-21T12:27:37.900-07:002016-05-21T12:27:37.900-07:00Van: “Feeling compelled to tie in a topic that has...Van: “Feeling compelled to tie in a topic that has nothing to do with the topic at hand, does sound like a compulsion, which is generally not a good thing, and probably makes up a good chunk of the folks that get to see Gagdad professionally. Might want to think on that.”<br /><br />Especially since I’d never been that way before. Problem is, I already did (a different “Bob”). No disrespect to Bob, but IMO he’s working a primitive science with too much subjectivity in the knowledge base. And... before my experience I would have commented exactly as you just did. It changes one that much.<br /><br />Van: “People are not predestined or 'born that way', but that's not what bothers me most about that.” <br /><br />Completely disagree, based on personal experience and research. And I know many people who thought exactly that way, before their own experiencem myself included. <br /><br />Van: “What bothers me most, is the notion that people are something to be 'fixed' or discarded on being determined that they can't be fixed. Such lazy thinking and easy answers is the common path of pro-regressive notions such as socialism, eugenics, etc., and what you in particular should find most disturbing, is that it's built to order for sociopaths. Might want to think on that one too.”<br /><br />Already have. Sociopaths will use every possible power structure that suits them, extreme statism being the most dangerous. Something for you to think about:<br /><br />A friend of mine is a retired financial planner. In his youth he was bullied out of his job as economist, but turned that lemon into lemonade with his own successful business. He caught the early software booms at the right time and did quite well for himself. But this isn’t my story.<br /><br />He told me of a ruined high ranking technical expert who came to him, who had been ruined after being targeted as a scapegoat by a certain well-known national politican who was close to Reagan (Ronald definitely not a sociopath, just an unwitting friend, was probably used in other ways by that politician). That experts entire sin had been that he had been selected to be The Target. Once ruined, he found employment cross country, but the politician found him (with his Big Government power) and had him fired from that one as well. That politician was trying to cover up (deflect, mitigate...) his prime involvement in one of the largest governmental boondoggles in my state’s history, which cost much for many. My take, is that he died with only his silenced victims knowing what he really was. My opinion, is that he also played a role in neocon conservatism moving towards dangerous statism. The Echelon Project (and/or what it’s becoming, according to an NSA source I have in confidence) is a classic example. On the surface it’s viewed as being required for national defense, but in the wrong hands, quite dangerous. <br /><br />I don’t advocate any eugenics solution, yet. What I need is to be persuaded by actual victims of sociopathy, of other solutions. <br />It's the culturenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-17395583244984002362016-05-21T04:15:15.548-07:002016-05-21T04:15:15.548-07:00Is that you, Dexter? Is that you, Dexter? Allena-Chttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08929671005197550931noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-80920333086733462482016-05-20T18:46:00.975-07:002016-05-20T18:46:00.975-07:00It's the culture said "This is the one to...It's the culture said "This is the one topic I'm compelled to try and tie into any post."<br /><br />Feeling compelled to tie in a topic that has nothing to do with the topic at hand, does sound like a compulsion, which is generally not a good thing, and probably makes up a good chunk of the folks that get to see Gagdad professionally. Might want to think on that.<br /><br />" I learned they’re born this way, and that this thing cannot be fixed" People are not predestined or 'born that way', but that's not what bothers me most about that. What bothers me most, is the notion that people are something to be 'fixed' or discarded on being determined that they can't be fixed. Such lazy thinking and easy answers is the common path of pro-regressive notions such as socialism, eugenics, etc., and what you in particular should find most disturbing, is that it's built to order for sociopaths. Might want to think on that one too.<br /><br />"... what you said about politicians being a thing of the past..." That sounds like an example of a dangerous simplification of what I said, and I can just imagine the easy answers it's leading to. A vital part of what I was saying, was that when We The People understand the requirements of a true Rule of Law - a people who educate themselves to become a moral, virtuous, self governing people, ready, willing and able to live in society with others, understanding the meaning of individual rights and the purpose of governing by compatible laws - when that happens, then the sort of shallow political manipulators that are elected to office today, will be a thing of the past. Not by being eliminated, but by the disappearance of those conditions that presently give rise to them.<br /><br />There are no easy answers. There are simple ones though, and a people who understand what is right and wrong, who understand that the individual rights which apply to themselves, apply to everyone else to, who respect justice, those people can enjoy a Rule of Law in civil society, and a people who govern themselves by such laws, are poor prospects for 'sociopaths' to flourish among.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-36327591849527003912016-05-20T17:33:10.354-07:002016-05-20T17:33:10.354-07:00This is the one topic I'm compelled to try and...This is the one topic I'm compelled to try and tie into any post.<br /><br />It’s a dilemma I have. The one missing piece in the liberty puzzle.<br /><br />I get out a lot. I’ve had to meet, greet, do business with... many people. Everybody’s different. Everybody’s got something different. But most people are reasonably cool - in an agreeable all for a civil society sense. The tiny minority of really foul creatures, I’d thought had bad parenting, background, were anti-Christian... something in their history which could be remedied. But after having my life ruined by one, then seeing them do it to others, then doing a fair amount of study, I learned they’re born this way, and that this thing cannot be fixed. Whether they ruin ones life or kill millions... is irrelevant to them as long as they get to enjoy the ruining, and get away with it. And they do love it, which is why the socialized ones are so good at it. I believe the tiny percentage of 1-2% high functioning causes at least half of all the grief in modern society. And with population and technology exploding, this number will increase correspondingly.<br /><br />The dilemma is that since this is the one type of personality which I believe cannot fit into a free civil society, how should they be a part of it? Can Rule of Law help us here?<br /><br />As a result of your comments I had a sorta-epiphany that if (theoretically) they could be dealt with somehow, eliminated (theoretically, I’m not actually espousing such a thing), while it wouldn’t be heaven on earth, what you said about politicians being a thing of the past before we are, could actually happen.<br />It's the culturenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-63577414403919461332016-05-20T17:03:07.989-07:002016-05-20T17:03:07.989-07:00It's the culture said "... sociopaths... ...It's the culture said "... sociopaths... sociopaths... sociopaths... sociopaths..."<br /><br />Ok, I'll bite, what's with the fixation on sociopaths? And why do you think they, or libertarians(one of the last people I'd ever entrust our Liberty to), have any tie in to this post, or here?Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.com