tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post5277504539866684741..comments2024-03-28T12:10:26.197-07:00Comments on One Cʘsmos: The Negative Mysticism of the LeftGagdad Bobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-2190115026832063612009-08-16T15:21:37.851-07:002009-08-16T15:21:37.851-07:00"Berman correctly points out that nazism was ..."Berman correctly points out that nazism was not an intellectual phenomenon guided primarily by ideas..."<br /><br />Definitly, nazism, fascism, is hyper pragmatism... a series of positions, divorced from principles, whose primary goal is action - but not just for actions sake, but action for their leaders sake - whom they are not intellectually bound to (and can't be), but emotionally so. Actions are the motive force to remold the people in the vision of the Leader's vision for them... one might say being reborn from below.<br /><br />"... since "ideas, in and of themselves, are not capable of unleashing energy.""<br /><br />Hmmm... in one way I disagree with that, in that Ideas, when true, can enable a person to unleash untold energy in the service of that truth. But in another sense, if I take it right, in affixing the peoples attention on the physical, the perceptual (to the exclusion of the conceptual), on adrenaline responses and exhilarations in the service of emotional drives... that directly releases energy, allows them to tap into that 'thrill factor' just by contemplating 'der Fuhrer' and taking action for him.<br /><br />Interesting.<br /><br />" To do that, something else must be present." As we know, conservatism is about ideas, whereas liberalism is about feelings."<br /><br />Yes (Conservatism in the Classical Liberalism sense), whereas leftism is all about feelings of how they wish... demand the world to be... not by correcting errors or developing ideas, but by attempting to impose how they assert reality should be from the start.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-56642715163973053202009-08-16T15:01:55.198-07:002009-08-16T15:01:55.198-07:00Something tells me that by the time I get to today...Something tells me that by the time I get to todays post (er... this post's tomorrow), I'm going to find that I could have saved myself the trouble of my last comment on yesterdays(... no, that would be this...eh... this posts preceding post... these time travel paradox's are so confusing) post.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-42788517620244235112009-08-16T00:23:37.773-07:002009-08-16T00:23:37.773-07:00Anonymous said...
"Remember that period you ...Anonymous said... <br />"Remember that period you went through, as a kid, when you thought your parents were the biggest dorks in the world?"<br /><br />And just look at you! You have taken that dorkiness to a ho new level. You must be proud!Skullynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-64081617553253768472009-08-16T00:18:50.398-07:002009-08-16T00:18:50.398-07:00Aninny said-
"...(cue the inevitable "o...Aninny said-<br /><br />"...(cue the inevitable "oh you're just too stupid to understand!!1!"..."<br /><br />Actually, that would be an improvement. You still got a ways to go just to get to "too stupid,"<br />butt keep hopin' for that change.Skullynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-57611216717690255132009-08-16T00:14:02.135-07:002009-08-16T00:14:02.135-07:00Great post, Bob!
And right on cue comes the troll...Great post, Bob!<br /><br />And right on cue comes the trolls to project the same old poopyganda they always doo. <br />I mean, c'mon trolls, at least get a new shtick instead of being so predictable.USS Ben USN (Ret)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07492369604790651538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-7566067527493286672009-08-15T23:17:34.729-07:002009-08-15T23:17:34.729-07:00Gardenparty 1:54,
Perhaps you can copy and paste ...Gardenparty 1:54,<br /><br />Perhaps you can copy and paste your "deep" musings on commies and conservatives tomorrow as you did today from yesterday, in case anybody missed it. After all, we are a little slow to catch on around here and that post might just turn the tide if excreted just one more time.hoarheynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-9578584881516062942009-08-15T22:46:24.780-07:002009-08-15T22:46:24.780-07:00Remember that period you went through, as a kid, w...Remember that period you went through, as a kid, when you thought your parents were the biggest dorks in the world?<br /><br />When Gagdad Bob's kid gets a little older, he's sure going to have that feeling, and it isn't going to be too far off the mark.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-43067979907075028862009-08-15T22:32:22.590-07:002009-08-15T22:32:22.590-07:00Boy, this post sure raised the demons.
I was just ...Boy, this post sure raised the demons.<br />I was just thinking of this today in that are Americans gullible enough to continue to buy the staged and manipulated crap from this administration.<br />Listening to and watching the Obama town halls is like watching his "yes we can", rockstar campaign videos.hoarheynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-32639082496080321742009-08-15T20:40:43.937-07:002009-08-15T20:40:43.937-07:00Yes, both men obviously have valuable things to te...Yes, both men obviously have valuable things to teach us, but I am very much interested in trying not to shun the blessings of the modern world. I believe that many Traditionalists -- Schuon included, whom I revere -- projected their own alienation into modernity, when the fact of the matter is that (small c) "conservatives" have always been uncomfortable with the common run of man, and the way things are always going to hell in a hand basket. <br /><br />Read a traditionalist from 1830, and he sounds identical to one today. Basically, I want to integrate human progress without being naive enough to believe that man is really evolving toward some higher state that transcends the human condition. This is why I would never deny the findings of science. I just place them in a higher context. <br /><br />Hard to explain. Can't type, let alone think, with a four year old on my knee....Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-37381240771131375062009-08-15T20:28:53.747-07:002009-08-15T20:28:53.747-07:00I would think Weaver and Russell Kirk embrace all ...I would think Weaver and Russell Kirk embrace all three, though they are anti-consumerism, given their emphasis on higher ideals--Platonic in Weaver's case, and Catholic in Kirk's. Their "traditionalism" led Weaver, for example to insist on his farm in North Carolina to be plowed without machinery, and in Kirk's case, he loathed the automobile.<br />I cannot imagine RCL adhering to these notions, but<br />I'm content with them as my teachers of the American ideal.Lenonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-66132755819666141272009-08-15T20:17:45.209-07:002009-08-15T20:17:45.209-07:00I would express it this way. Conservatism is esse...I would express it this way. Conservatism is essentially an exterior political coalition or an interior/psychic dynamic synthesis of three components, 1) traditionalism, 2) free market libertarianism, and 3) anti-collectivism, anti-statism, anti-fascism, anti-totalitarianism, anti-PC, etc. <br /><br />There are many conservatives who emphasize one or two of these, but the Raccoon embraces all three, i.e., God/virtue, liberty/truth, and individualism/personal responsibility. <br /><br />When you are ready to believe in these things, the teachers appear.Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-86951457709491473382009-08-15T18:25:48.421-07:002009-08-15T18:25:48.421-07:00Not at all, I simply don't know who they are.Not at all, I simply don't know who they are.jay l.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-37840359062062043812009-08-15T18:03:29.111-07:002009-08-15T18:03:29.111-07:00Why do you ask? Have we displeased you?Why do you ask? Have we displeased you?Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-14648104056787912372009-08-15T18:00:07.530-07:002009-08-15T18:00:07.530-07:00Since you can, could you name, say, one dozen?Since you can, could you name, say, one dozen?jaynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-13096620523918491152009-08-15T17:50:17.427-07:002009-08-15T17:50:17.427-07:00No question. Truth and Liberty are two sides of t...No question. Truth and Liberty are two sides of the same 'Coon. Deny one and you eliminate the other.Peteynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-48736129888411757442009-08-15T17:43:45.069-07:002009-08-15T17:43:45.069-07:00Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two ma...Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.Winstonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-7686502957665311042009-08-15T17:39:33.350-07:002009-08-15T17:39:33.350-07:00I picked up the children's history book and lo...I picked up the children's history book and looked at the portrait of Big O which formed its frontispiece. The hypnotic eyes gazed into my own. It was as though some huge force were pressing down upon me - something that penetrated inside my skull, battering against my brain, frightening me out of my beliefs, persuading me, almost, to deny the evidence of my senses. In the end the One would announce that two and two made five, and I would have to belive it. It was inevitable that he should make that claim sooner or later: the logic of his position demanded it.Winstonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-73061352686504883312009-08-15T16:53:43.678-07:002009-08-15T16:53:43.678-07:00We can name dozens off the top of our head. They&#...We can name dozens off the top of our head. They're not hard to find. <br /><br />This is not to say that Raccoon-style conservatism is not a new synthesis for the present age. It's just that we steal from only the best.Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-91412182376745012492009-08-15T15:51:24.966-07:002009-08-15T15:51:24.966-07:00I wonder who these "racoon classical liberals...I wonder who these "racoon classical liberals" are, other than the author and followers of the author. <br />Could you name , say, 10 political leaders or thinkers who embody or expound this form of conservatism?<br />Richard Weaver, whom you quote extensively, would be a southern agrarian, for example-"completely contradicting RCL"Jay lenonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-55792778181868638222009-08-15T14:47:56.780-07:002009-08-15T14:47:56.780-07:00He seems like a reasonable fellow to me, so I'...He seems like a reasonable fellow to me, so I'd certainly be interested to see what you consider his most egregious "trolling".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-43084179274253572742009-08-15T14:43:37.258-07:002009-08-15T14:43:37.258-07:00> Why is anyone who disagrees
> with you a ...> Why is anyone who disagrees <br />> with you a troll? <br /><br />Anon, godinpotty is not just anyone. He has many frequent troller miles around here.laketroutnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-22737371952660073222009-08-15T14:26:23.474-07:002009-08-15T14:26:23.474-07:00Why is anyone who disagrees with you a troll?
And...Why is anyone who disagrees with you a troll?<br /><br />And how can you in good conscience bring up how there are many different types of conservatism, and then claim the current American left is just like Nazis from 70 years ago just because that party had "socialist" in its name? I think there's actually someone else here whose intellectual honesty is called into question.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-63019079815632939552009-08-15T14:22:07.225-07:002009-08-15T14:22:07.225-07:00This book I'm reading on the history of Americ...<a href="http://www.amazon.com/dp/0300118945?tag=onecosmos-20&camp=14573&creative=327641&linkCode=as1&creativeASIN=0300118945&adid=0CNQ0PRDRYVHWSFBFBNY&" rel="nofollow">This book</a> I'm reading on the history of American conservatism is outstanding. It's actually written from a strictly neutral, scholarly standpoint. One thing the author clarifies is the different forms of conservatism, some of which completely contradict one another, e.g., Southern agrarianism vs. Raccoon classical liberalism. This -- along with his malevolent spirit -- is probably one of the greatest sources of our troll's confusion. Unless he actually is as intellectually dishonest as he pretends to be.Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-60280503436830488262009-08-15T14:15:53.504-07:002009-08-15T14:15:53.504-07:00Hitler: known for invading other countries, and sy...Hitler: known for invading other countries, and systematically executing millions of Jews<br /><br />Obama: known for wanting a different health care system, and expecting rich people to be responsible for a higher percentage of taxes<br /><br />I am <i>totally</i> getting it now.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-3097621398928759502009-08-15T13:54:28.783-07:002009-08-15T13:54:28.783-07:00You have to wonder what is the point of trying to ...You have to wonder what is the point of trying to link Nazism to the left. After all, there are a great many atrocities and crimes that are more plausibly attributed to the left, such as those of Stalinist Russia or Maoist China. You can argue about how much these crimes tar the left as a whole, or the left of today, or even that Stalin and suchlike were not a leftist at all (after all, Lenin wrote a book vigorously denouncing the left-wing of his own movement). But if your goal was to attack the left, that would be a MUCH more plausible place to start.<br /><br />So I hypothesize that all this Hitler crap is not so much about the left, but is an attempt by rightists to evade the moral duty of acknowledging their own complicity in the horrors of the 20th century. They are constructing a childish, black-and-white model of history where all evil can be linked to the left and they can regard themselves to be as pure as the driven snow. But they aren't fooling anybody but themselves.goddinpottynoreply@blogger.com