tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post5257970108367580484..comments2024-03-28T20:04:20.286-07:00Comments on One Cʘsmos: Why Does the Question of Why the World Exists Exist?Gagdad Bobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-22525890998182605112012-10-02T22:14:33.466-07:002012-10-02T22:14:33.466-07:00" knaveté"
;-)" knaveté"<br /><br />;-)Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-76003688531148020092012-10-01T13:07:03.250-07:002012-10-01T13:07:03.250-07:00Indeed, just as from logic follows nothing but log...<i>Indeed, just as from logic follows nothing but logic, or from biology nothing but biology, or psychology nothing but psychology.</i><br /><br />As Jesus said, “That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.”<br /><br />I’m not a big fan of the Ontological Argument since you could, it seems, use it for anything. In fact, that seems to be exactly what is done with the universe. Scientists, I’m sure, will argue that they “observe” the universe, but I think they are observing phenomena that might be part of the universe. Please correct me if that’s a misunderstanding on my part.mushroomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07651027035577798096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-23440159523101097772012-10-01T12:50:40.158-07:002012-10-01T12:50:40.158-07:00Which means that their myth is never subjected to ...<i>Which means that their myth is never subjected to critical scrutiny, and remains as unexamined as their lives.</i><br /><br />Socrates: <i>The unexamined life is not worth living.</i><br /><br />Plato's Corollary: <i>Unless you are Chris Matthews in which case refusal to examine your life makes perfect sense.</i>mushroomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07651027035577798096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-16378100196310085932012-10-01T12:48:47.075-07:002012-10-01T12:48:47.075-07:00And yes, it is a characteristic of human beings to...And yes, it is a characteristic of human beings to do this, both in- and outside religion. Christianity tries to guard against it, but people end up gravitating toward it anyway. Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-50152349889487481882012-10-01T12:46:50.255-07:002012-10-01T12:46:50.255-07:00What Voegelin means is that modern political gnost...What Voegelin means is that modern political gnostics <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immanentize_the_eschaton" rel="nofollow">immanentize the eschaton</a> as a result of their special insight into the nature of reality. Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-23023765961953637052012-10-01T12:43:41.940-07:002012-10-01T12:43:41.940-07:00I must confess that I have always been puzzled by...I must confess that I have always been puzzled by the rather liberal use of the term "gnostic"- especially conservative political philosophers like Voeglin.<br /><br />For such thinkers, it seems that "gnostic" is equivalent to "utopian" or "millenarian." The gnosticism of late antiquity covered many perspectives, but I don't think utopianism was one of them- barring the Carpocratians. If anything, I'm inlined to say that the orthodox/catholic church, unlike the Gnostics, committed to a real savior <i>in history</i> has been more inclined to uptopianism.Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04865413665629644313noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-45929245364424320002012-10-01T12:35:53.162-07:002012-10-01T12:35:53.162-07:00Come to think of it, I suppose that's one of t...Come to think of it, I suppose that's one of the rummy things about life: it is inescapable. <br /><br />From a purely materialist standpoint, the scientist is a bit like a prisoner in a cell, studying every crevice, nook and cranny to determine its secrets while denying the possibility that there is anything outside the cell, much less any possibility of escape. And yet, there's the door, hanging wide open...juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-57044595998380295542012-10-01T12:28:14.351-07:002012-10-01T12:28:14.351-07:00Or put another way, from the surface it is possibl...Or put another way, from the surface it is possible to determine that the earth is a sphere of matter suspended in the relative emptiness of space, but to actually see that this is so and how that looks, one must escape the surface and view the planet from outside. <br /><br />Science, however, is constrained by the fact that it is impossible to stand outside the cosmos and take measurements, at least on this side of the veil...juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-38422799998901215842012-10-01T12:10:35.304-07:002012-10-01T12:10:35.304-07:00I put that badly. I meant "inside" the ...I put that badly. I meant "inside" the cosmos, as opposed to being able to take a transcendent view from outside or above.Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-54966886250947054702012-10-01T12:06:47.579-07:002012-10-01T12:06:47.579-07:00??:
"Science by definition tells us only abou... ??:<br />"Science by definition tells us only about the within"<br />-but science is crippled by the 'taboo of subjectivity'<br /><br />-so i'd say it tells us only about the simple husks of surfacey sh-tgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02015936407999495181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-28061619819984117192012-10-01T11:29:47.700-07:002012-10-01T11:29:47.700-07:00So sorry, I see the man DOES 'know' Gödel....So sorry, I see the man DOES 'know' Gödel. <br /><br />He thinks. Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15213635895442262894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-76573280214208771972012-10-01T11:28:03.014-07:002012-10-01T11:28:03.014-07:00"It's as if the man never heard of Gödel...."It's as if the man never heard of Gödel."<br /><br />Hohoho, Mr Finn. What a clever insult (for I bet he never has). Is there a name for that kind of figure of speech? I bet there is, the Romans had a name for all kinds of rhetorical barbs. Never could keep em straight. Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15213635895442262894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-21936885318403186462012-10-01T10:37:48.257-07:002012-10-01T10:37:48.257-07:00"I recently tried to read a book that address..."I recently tried to read a book that addresses this subject, called Why Does the World Exist?, by Jim Holt. "<br /><br />I hope there was a laugh track accompanying the book.<br /><br />In my first Quarter Chemistry, the first chapter in the book talks about Quantitative and Qualitative sources of data. Science's focus is Quantitative as it is measurable by the tools of science. Qualitative is not measurable. <br /><br />The mere mention of trying to measure 'Why' would have gotten him laughed out of any Science lab.<br /><br />But then that's the trouble with the over-confident: they think they can do anything.<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YMTGP9fM04ACond0011https://www.blogger.com/profile/04576204654819543273noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-67969087516145713772012-10-01T09:55:14.209-07:002012-10-01T09:55:14.209-07:00"Think of other animals...nor can there possi..."Think of other animals...nor can there possibly be any notion of a transcendent beyond that cannot be found in the world of things."<br /><br />To me, this fact, that we have this sense of the necessity of a transcendent "other realm"; our source -- since then to "sense" it, I think, is to "have access to it" -- is a miracle. The genuine deal. It shouldn't be possible. Therefore, it must be a blessing. It seems to be an essential human "part" that we not only can't live without, but can't exist without.Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13720790978632771716noreply@blogger.com