tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post4761006521257534934..comments2024-03-18T21:33:35.309-07:00Comments on One Cʘsmos: You're Nobody 'til Somebody Loves YouGagdad Bobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comBlogger55125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-80789565780068959152008-07-24T08:38:00.000-07:002008-07-24T08:38:00.000-07:00The Mormon Heresy mostly is that they think of Jes...The Mormon Heresy mostly is that they think of Jesus as being one who has 'Divine Participation by grace' rather than by nature. Thus they've erased the Son in the Trinity and replaced Mary with their new downgraded Jesus. It isn't, strictly speaking, heretical to believe that we will 'become gods' but if it is done it will not be by our own work but by God's grace. And it would be impossible to attain if we have the least bit of impurity remaining in us, which again we are incapable of removing by our own strength. This does not mean we have to do nothing, or that there is nothing we can do. It is in essence faith, that is, trust in the invisible existing and the hoped-for coming to be, or 'wu wei' as Lao Tzu said, active <I>non doing.</I> I prepare the soil, plant the seeds and protect the garden, but the increase still comes from God. Because God is merciful it is easy for men to conceive that they did the work, just because it seems so automatic that if you put a seed into the earth a plant comes out.<BR/><BR/>But there will be a time when it won't. Then people will think long and hard, long and hard about whose power is real.<BR/><BR/>In short, Mormonism is simply western Islam. The notion of the community of God being God (which is part of what the Trinity is) does not exist in either.Ephrem Antony Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00032465992619034619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-8966942104731697892008-07-24T08:30:00.000-07:002008-07-24T08:30:00.000-07:00St. Athanasius, On The Incarnation: "God became ma...St. Athanasius, On The Incarnation: "God became man so man might become God." Theosis. As Lewis put it, God intends that we will be shining gods and goddesses, but how this is distinct from anything else is that if we attain to or have within us the Divine Nature, which is participation in his Life, indwelling of his Spirit, perfection, illumination, purity, communion. The type of 'god' God intends us each to be is exemplified by the lives of the saints. This is to say, if we are to be gods <B>we will not be self-existent as God is</B>, but through communion with Him be Him.<BR/><BR/>Really the best way to express it is as St. Athanasius did.Ephrem Antony Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00032465992619034619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-81351679234757046872008-07-24T07:43:00.000-07:002008-07-24T07:43:00.000-07:00Funny, I only just noticed the title of this post....Funny, I only just noticed the title of this post. Yesterday when I woke up, there was a song in my head, seemingly randomly. It was the one that goes<BR/> <BR/>"I'm not gonna write you a love song<BR/>cause you need one<BR/>cause you asked for it..."<BR/><BR/>It was just that part, anyway, and my next thought was that the whole <I>world</I> is a love song, if only we stop to listen to it. Demanding our own specific version, written to our own specifications (a la Ray) is both childish and foolish, simply because <I>it's already there</I>, if we can just take our fingers out of our ears long enough to hear and comprehend.<BR/><BR/>I meant to write this yesterday, but thought it would be off topic. I guess I should have been listening ;)juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-48966491050819737042008-07-24T07:22:00.000-07:002008-07-24T07:22:00.000-07:00One should be VERY selective and carefull when it ...One should be VERY selective and carefull when it comes to ban people. Most often it's the best sign of one starting to lose it. And yes, I mean mentally.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-89917877751420378342008-07-24T07:01:00.000-07:002008-07-24T07:01:00.000-07:00Van, blue is the new black.Van, blue is the new black.jphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05908157207748014622noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-39568958288050627642008-07-23T23:29:00.000-07:002008-07-23T23:29:00.000-07:00Ximeze said-"Now, I'm gonna go scrub out ...Ximeze said-<BR/>"Now, I'm gonna go scrub out my nous with an extended dose of Light & Life affirming Bach, played really loud. Gno from experience that'll put the Cosmos back in order, correct-side-up."<BR/><BR/>I reckon havin' dial-up can be a blessing sometimes. Ha ha!<BR/><BR/>Coonified-<BR/>Listen to Van Morrison also! You'll feel better...trust me! :^)<BR/>Oh, and Bach too. And Johnny Cash.<BR/>The Who. Bob Dylan. Glenn Miller. Flatt and Scruggs (hard to be depressed with bluegrass playin'!).<BR/><BR/>Anyway, we got several hundred artists among us that can cheer you up in no time (or Now! actually). :^)USS Ben USN (Ret)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07492369604790651538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-45311981469748654772008-07-23T23:20:00.000-07:002008-07-23T23:20:00.000-07:00Vicious? Is that what Charles is callin' Truth now...Vicious? Is that what Charles is callin' Truth now? <BR/><BR/>What gets me is how Charles keeps mentioning that he's a Christian and that he's not bashing Christians before he compares us to terrorists and nazi's.<BR/><BR/>I think that all Christians can agree that there's nothin' Christ-like about that.<BR/><BR/>Personally, I wonder why the Lizard even bothers with his little charade.<BR/><BR/>Lessee, how can a Christian, or a Jew, or a Hinduist, or any great Religion for that matter, define him or herself as believers of G-d and yet deny that G-d created us?<BR/>Not to mention, that there's no Intelligence above creation?<BR/><BR/>Answer: in Truth you simply can't. It's impossible. It would be like me saying I'm really an atheist but I believe in Absolute Truth.<BR/><BR/>Now, some might call me judgemental for saying such a thing, to which I would reply: Damn straight, I am!<BR/><BR/>The short version is what Van said, Liezard. <BR/>Charles has scales, but he won't permit the scales of Truth n' Justice to grace his little preendumb of thin-skinned lizards.<BR/><BR/>Sheesh. Usually I'm giving the short versions and Van's giving the de-tailed one. :^)USS Ben USN (Ret)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07492369604790651538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-10813982069092470852008-07-23T22:50:00.000-07:002008-07-23T22:50:00.000-07:00Hey, Cuz - Bob's just now been banned? Was the...Hey, Cuz - Bob's just now been banned? Was there something he said lately, or is Charles just now realizing that "lizardoid" isn't always a compliment? Because I haven't noticed any references to Charles here in a while (beyond the O->K sional generalized comparison of lizards to Darwinists and other funduhmentalists, and really, I don't see how that is so very insulting, given that it's simply a truthful Bobservation. Certainly, it's less offensive than being lumped together with Muslim terrorists as being a danger to society).<BR/><BR/>Just curious.juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-40732276425484469992008-07-23T22:26:00.000-07:002008-07-23T22:26:00.000-07:00Van said:"Your video selection might be part ...Van said:<BR/>"Your video selection might be part of what's driving you crazy too."<BR/><BR/>Eeeewwwww, such Darkness, accompanied with a giant sucking vortex that immobilizes you with fascination while it drags you in.<BR/><BR/>If that one's not creepy enough, check out the 'related videos' on the sidebar there. The whole genre makes me really, really glad I quit taking acid-trips decades ago, after a couple of tries in my misspent youth.<BR/><BR/>Coonified, you might try replacing that fascinating, but very nihilistic input, with classic vehicles of Light. It will help with your crazies. Many of us here have been down that road & can offer tried & tested maps, useful in helping get the hell out of there.<BR/><BR/>Now, I'm gonna go scrub out my nous with an extended dose of Light & Life affirming Bach, played really loud. Gno from experience that'll put the Cosmos back in order, correct-side-up.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-63135392486989817392008-07-23T20:53:00.000-07:002008-07-23T20:53:00.000-07:00aloonymous said "..I can't recommend Boethius' De ...aloonymous said "..I can't recommend Boethius' De Hebdomadibus highly enough - a short treatise, but dense as they come.<BR/><BR/>http://tiny.c..."<BR/><BR/>A good recommendation... <I>buttt</I>... if you're one of those goofy Americans who prefer's his ancient Latin texts to be in English, you could read <A HREF="http://www.gutenberg.org/files/13316/13316-8.txt" REL="nofollow">Boethius's Theological Tractates and The Consolation of Philosophy here instead</A>.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-61708486030548516702008-07-23T20:40:00.000-07:002008-07-23T20:40:00.000-07:00Coonified said "...This is driving me crazy!This v...Coonified said "...This is driving me crazy!<BR/>This video gets right at. Notice that the fire at the end is the other side of the darkness in the beginning. Most people identify with the latter instead of the former..."<BR/><BR/>Your video selection might be part of what's driving you crazy too.<BR/><BR/>When I insist on intellectualizing it, I tend to think of "There has to be a twoness" as a false positive. There is One, there is that which unites and integrates up into it... and there is disintegration which falls away. Only the One IS, the illusion of a second is but the lack of the One, and it is You, Us, We, who give it the power to disintegrate.<BR/><BR/>But that's just me.<BR/><BR/>(You're looking blue this evening Erasmus)Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-79205135900910966902008-07-23T20:11:00.000-07:002008-07-23T20:11:00.000-07:00coonified says:"There has to be a twoness that's f...coonified says:<BR/><BR/>"There has to be a twoness that's free from it's twoness! This is driving me crazy!"<BR/><BR/>Just start slapping a dual tense on things. At least that will make two become one linguistily. Hey, it's a start.jphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05908157207748014622noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-30884788647954418622008-07-23T19:39:00.000-07:002008-07-23T19:39:00.000-07:00Van, alot of what you said is exactly what I was t...Van, alot of what you said is exactly what I was talking about when I was referring to the dialog between maharshi and Aurobindo. On the one hand, reality is stasis, and there is no up and down, left or right, Divine and undivine. But on the sarguna side, there certainly is; and this is what I stay most occupied with. <BR/><BR/>I can't say that it is all perfect in that respect. What happened happened, but that doesn't mean that earth is the way it should be. "Be ye perfect as our Father in heaven is perfect" is an acknowledgment of the above and below, and this being urges us towards that central fire in the sky, despite the fact that he also saw unmanifest Oneness everywhere. The greatest commandment could probably be reduced to, "Love God with all your Matter."<BR/><BR/>...<BR/><BR/>(But what fuel does that central fire burn on? Is it a perpetual self-immolation, the two sides of Being, nothing and something? If so, I get caught up in this dualism regardless of the static absolute, and can't help but envision a fire that burns on forever fueled by the substance of dead forsaken subjects.)<BR/><BR/>There has to be a twoness that's free from it's twoness! This is driving me crazy!<BR/><BR/>This <A HREF="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRVNvztrlR8" REL="nofollow"> video </A> gets right at. Notice that the fire at the end is the other side of the darkness in the beginning. Most people identify with the latter instead of the former. (Of course, consciousness dissociates from death, but the stuff still goes to hell in it's own way. The spirits are down there, dispersed. Pretty sure from my experience; and seems moral not to forget.)<BR/><BR/>Hey, maybe this is just my own problem. I am young.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-30755225533532880302008-07-23T19:31:00.000-07:002008-07-23T19:31:00.000-07:00Christopher, if you're out there, I can't recommen...Christopher, if you're out there, I can't recommend Boethius' De Hebdomadibus highly enough - a short treatise, but dense as they come.<BR/><BR/>http://tiny.cc/oV3BPAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-47720882278083601402008-07-23T18:58:00.000-07:002008-07-23T18:58:00.000-07:00"What does that make Charles?"A liezard"What does that make Charles?"<BR/><BR/>A liezardVan Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-7752761901267348992008-07-23T18:54:00.001-07:002008-07-23T18:54:00.001-07:00Ho! Bob has been "banned" at LGF for his "vicious ...Ho! Bob has been "banned" at LGF for his "vicious comments" posted here about Charles.<BR/><BR/>Vicious?<BR/><BR/>Ho! <BR/><BR/>Bob is an insecure, paranoid, thin-skinned megalomaniac, and yet he's never banned a single critic. What does that make Charles?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-89090545629770854632008-07-23T18:05:00.000-07:002008-07-23T18:05:00.000-07:00Bob,Just spotted your comment: I'm as tickled as A...Bob,<BR/><BR/>Just spotted your comment: <I>I'm as tickled as Andy Griffith over Gomer Pyle, Mary Tyler Moore over Rhoda, or Archie Bunker over the Jeffersons!</I><BR/><BR/>Hey, I'm laughin' with you!walthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01388218390016612051noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-35545192729374753292008-07-23T17:47:00.000-07:002008-07-23T17:47:00.000-07:00"...It is completely static, simple, beyond the du..."...It is completely static, simple, beyond the duality of knower and known (or any other duality). It is the source of everything, and yet, outside everything. Now that I think about it, this is what distinguishes Greek emanationism from Christian panentheism, in that the God of the former would never sully himself with the world, whereas in the latter view, God very much gets down and dirty; in the Christian view, every thing is God, even while God is not everything. In Plotinus' view, there is much more of a bright line between God and world, or O and Ø...<BR/><BR/>... It's just that the nature of the latter makes it almost necessary that he would wish to communicate the former; thus, you might say that human beings are the last word in the "self discovery" (so to speak) of God's creative "idiom," in the sense discussed a few posts back."<BR/><BR/>For my too sense, it is all One. We are of it, and it is of us, and there is that which we are of, which is not of it, but within it.<BR/><BR/>Personally, I don't buy the 'lower... lesser... corrupt' idea of the material world. It is, and it is perfect. Change isn't bad. Dissolution of material bodies is not fault or failure, it is simply the way It IS... perhaps the image of the Infinite passing through the Temporal (or the other way around) Now. <BR/><BR/>The higher life rises, the more it is able to encompass and realize.<BR/><BR/>Good, Bad, Indifferent, don't come in to play, until Consciousness is aware of its Own ability to engage in either. We might find that certain realities are less than ideal in relation to our plans and desires (my knees for instance), but that describes <I>my</I> expectations, not a flaw in reality which unfolded perfectly according to its properties and circumstances of cause and effect. <BR/><BR/>Because <I>we</I> have the divine spark of volitional choice, free will, <I>we</I> create reality on the volitional level, a new dynamic creation above the flat plane, we can choose to operate in ways other than cause and affect determine.<BR/><BR/>As we become aware of the higher purposes of Truth, Life, lived in accordance with reality on an incline, rather than the simple horizontal facts, we have the choice, given our inclination and abilities, to live towards perfection... or fall into the purposeful disintegration and misintegration of higher Truths in a life lived. <BR/><BR/>As hemp braided is shorter than when unbound, but stronger, more attractive than either a loose or tangled and knotty clump of it, I suspect that with every proper integration, ideas weaved with action, Virtue, we are lifted higher up the incline, and there is a highest pOint (both Vertically and Symmetrically) towards which all are integrated, directed, sculpted.<BR/><BR/>For better or worse, we <I>are</I> creatures of self sculpted soul... just take care that the model which guides your hand is One that is (tweaking the GBT Three) Integrated, Beautiful and True, rather than disjointed ugly and dissolute.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-55406955927503974492008-07-23T17:21:00.000-07:002008-07-23T17:21:00.000-07:00Mmmmmmm...mormon (in a manner of speaking).Hey, GB...Mmmmmmm...mormon (in a manner of speaking).<BR/><BR/>Hey, GB ain't no mo!<BR/><BR/>(8^)NoMohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01100042056270224683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1945124626425773612008-07-23T16:58:00.000-07:002008-07-23T16:58:00.000-07:00When I think of Image, I think "theomorphic substa...When I think of Image, I think "theomorphic substance." It reminds me of what Bion calls Beta elements too, at least in the sense that beta elements are evidence of an impinging-something-beyond.<BR/><BR/>I dont't really understand the sameness thing, though. Or Nomo's fear. Ultimatly, what else is there? How can I not be "I"? This does not consequentially lead to the negation of hierarchy, but it's affirmation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-68413355035107187882008-07-23T16:31:00.000-07:002008-07-23T16:31:00.000-07:00Now I wish I actually had a defense.Now I wish I actually had a defense.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-23919148169687284512008-07-23T16:24:00.000-07:002008-07-23T16:24:00.000-07:00Erasmus said "Sort of like when GB says, ...'God b...Erasmus said "Sort of like when GB says, ...'God became man so that man might become God'" <BR/>Mmmmmm...tastes Mormon. Almost like a Mormon heresy."<BR/><BR/>Wuh oh... hope I'm not around when Nomo see's that One... when he does...<BR/><BR/>...duck...<BR/><BR/><BR/><I>NOW!</I>Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-81191318952263674702008-07-23T16:12:00.001-07:002008-07-23T16:12:00.001-07:00"Image" is traditionally thought of as potential, ..."Image" is traditionally thought of as potential, whereas "likeness" is actualization or realization of the divine potential, i.e., theosis or sainthood.Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-31181381438246994282008-07-23T16:12:00.000-07:002008-07-23T16:12:00.000-07:00Unlike Bob, I don't have a defense.Well, that's no...Unlike Bob, I don't have a defense.<BR/><BR/>Well, that's not technically true.<BR/><BR/>I have a number of legal defenses, but they never seem to work the way you want them to work.<BR/><BR/>And they can be expensive.<BR/><BR/>I really just wanted to use the word "Mormon" in a sentence again. Now.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-41114862751936456002008-07-23T16:07:00.000-07:002008-07-23T16:07:00.000-07:00Well, since that sounded like a sigh of relief, I ...Well, since that sounded like a sigh of relief, I will say...<BR/><BR/><BR/>I don't really know if there's a difference between likeness and sameness. Maybe it's a matter of verticality. Lower beings are created in likeness of the most High Being, and most High Being is furthermore the Image of the unmanifest. <BR/><BR/>Most high Being shares in the essence of the Father, and so to push the envelop, essence could be said to be enfolded or involved within lower being, kind of like dispersion that needs to be painfully re-collected. <BR/><BR/>Like I said, because of this dispersion the soul does not always have kinship with O. There is a qualitative difference between who I am as an Image of the absolute, and me the local-psychic ego. But the absolute is always breaking through 'infinity barriers' in order that the crazy infinite might be tamed, grounded, and brought to sanity.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com