tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post4674975271335764950..comments2024-03-27T11:16:36.951-07:00Comments on One Cʘsmos: The Sands of Timelessness and the Narrow Gate Between the Chambers of OurglassGagdad Bobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comBlogger31125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1313198781113267722009-09-29T09:01:02.374-07:002009-09-29T09:01:02.374-07:00"Would you really object to me suggesting tha..."Would you really object to me suggesting that music flows, or that the melody is ontologically prior to the notes?"<br /><br />wv:tootonximezenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-55215926730402214632009-09-29T06:44:10.517-07:002009-09-29T06:44:10.517-07:00The Great DanceThe Great Dancesehoyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00398831051769112602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-27090510769493311732009-09-29T04:58:14.793-07:002009-09-29T04:58:14.793-07:00"how in the world can existence flow?"
..."how in the world can existence flow?"<br /><br />Or, how in the world could it not? Everything that exists does so in patterns of flowing rhythm, i.e., temporal resonances. Nothing is static in the terrestrial world, but that is only the case because it is related to the atemporal, as the many are to One -- or like a spiral around an axis.Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-40311171483430133512009-09-29T04:51:58.974-07:002009-09-29T04:51:58.974-07:00Anonymous:
I think you've got it backwards, c...Anonymous:<br /><br />I think you've got it backwards, certainly phenomenologically. That is, it is impossible to reconcile any kind of purely exterior and horizontal scientism or materialism with the ontologically prior fact of consciousness. Any way you look at it, mind is the first thing one encounters, on pain of there being nothing to encounter at all, which is an absurdity.<br /><br />When we use words such as "flow" or "prior," it is always "in a manner of speaking," since we are using terms derived from the horizontal to describe the vertical. Thus, you must accept the words in the spirit they are given. Would you really object to me suggesting that music flows, or that the melody is ontologically prior to the notes?Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-47367837907427712822009-09-29T03:30:43.596-07:002009-09-29T03:30:43.596-07:00Methinks you are getting the menu confused with th...Methinks you are getting the menu confused with the meal.<br /><br />***<br /><br />It's 3:30 - do you know where your dreams are?juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-5191977763872160492009-09-29T00:42:55.496-07:002009-09-29T00:42:55.496-07:00Platonism is all well and good, but even if you ad...Platonism is all well and good, but even if you adhere to it, it is wrong to speak of the relationship between the world of Platonic forms and their instantiations as "prior". Platonic forms are eternal and timeless and cannot be "prior" to anything. Maybe you mean something like "more foundational"? That would at least start to make sense, although it's still problematic. But then how can "manifest existence must flow in the ontologically prior direction"? Flow is another temporal word. How in the world can existence flow? Maybe it's a metaphor, but for what? <br /><br />The problem with Platonism is that nobody has come up with a very good way to relate the Platonic world to the everyday world of experience. Mathematicians may be practical Platonists but they don't have a clue about that either, and are smart enough to leave the question to physicists and philosophers and other lesser breeds.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-6983440450283065582009-09-28T20:35:14.845-07:002009-09-28T20:35:14.845-07:00Or let's just say in the beginning was informa...Or let's just say <i>in the beginning was information</i>Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-80294613225336117522009-09-28T20:13:18.433-07:002009-09-28T20:13:18.433-07:00how can something be ontologically prior without b...<i>how can something be ontologically prior without being temporally prior? Please explain for the benefit of the unevolved.</i><br /><br />Or looked at another way, picture a pile of Legos. Left to their own devices, they don't do anything. Except maybe act as caltrops to the unwary bare foot. <br /><br />But suppose a child comes along who wants to build a house. The Legos are a great building block with which to realize the idea. The Legos are inert; in themselves, they do not contain the house. It is the ontologically higher house which contains the Legos, and the child which contains the idea of the house and makes use of the materials at hand to bring it into being. The material is temporally prior to the construction and is necessary for it to be realized, but the idea is prior to and ontologically higher than the matter at hand. More broadly, without the drive to create there would be no Legos with which to inspire creativity.<br /><br />I hope that made sense...juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-81991691872956453862009-09-28T19:53:30.188-07:002009-09-28T19:53:30.188-07:00Two juvenile raccoons on the back fence under the ...Two juvenile raccoons on the back fence under the tree as the wind picked up at dusk. Eyeing the last few tomatoes in what's left of the garden.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16423299281618735627noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-69412547935701196662009-09-28T19:38:36.233-07:002009-09-28T19:38:36.233-07:00Just saw a big ol' raccoon while out walking t...Just saw a big ol' raccoon while out walking the dog! It even hissed at us, which is a good omen. Tomorrow's my lucky day!Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-14132252163588795702009-09-28T19:07:25.224-07:002009-09-28T19:07:25.224-07:00Most major league mathematicians are Platonists, i...Most major league mathematicians are Platonists, in that they believe math is discovered, not invented. Are the laws of physics not prior to their instantiation in matter?Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-7733985581939991662009-09-28T18:58:20.564-07:002009-09-28T18:58:20.564-07:00You said: The higher is ontologically prior, but t...You said: The higher is ontologically prior, but temporally later -- which is a truism that the Darwinist simply cannot wrap his unevolved mind around.<br /><br />OK, I'll bite -- "prior" means before, so along what axis can "the higher" be "prior", if not the temporal one? Statements can be logically prior, I guess...but how can something be ontologically prior without being temporally prior? Please explain for the benefit of the unevolved.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-61028509288084556752009-09-28T18:50:08.035-07:002009-09-28T18:50:08.035-07:00off topic, but for anyone who hasn't been to t...off topic, but for anyone who hasn't been to the <a href="http://robinstarfish.blogspot.com/2009/09/blue-bird-man.html" rel="nofollow">Motel</a> today, sounds like the Starfishii could use some prayers.juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-65820440086548925142009-09-28T18:20:43.139-07:002009-09-28T18:20:43.139-07:00Uncle William is one of the main reasons I dread t...Uncle William is one of the main reasons I dread those family reunions, when they break out the ouija board. Oddly, enough, William is my middle name...Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-68923934139435122402009-09-28T18:19:57.382-07:002009-09-28T18:19:57.382-07:00In Conflict of Visions,Thomas Sowell uses your Unc...In <i>Conflict of Visions</i>,Thomas Sowell uses your Uncle William to illustrate his many points about the Unconstrained Vision.baldilockshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00210427584232389760noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-17717714944440649582009-09-28T18:18:09.675-07:002009-09-28T18:18:09.675-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.baldilockshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00210427584232389760noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-89759021123320984572009-09-28T17:51:22.699-07:002009-09-28T17:51:22.699-07:00This was a good post, btw. I think you've mana...This was a good post, btw. I think you've managed to achieve a Balthasarian denseness. I've been wanting to comment all day, but everything that comes to mind seems completely inadequate.<br /><br />Magnus' original comment was one heck of a seed.juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-42031513707643264482009-09-28T17:33:45.753-07:002009-09-28T17:33:45.753-07:00$19.6 billion in pork alone, and Congress can'...$19.6 billion in pork alone, and Congress can't afford a few new flags?Susannahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16381272662339466736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-6764803427505809622009-09-28T16:39:04.296-07:002009-09-28T16:39:04.296-07:00Van,
Howsabout congresscritters get duct taped to...Van,<br /><br />Howsabout congresscritters get duct taped to the flag-pole in 6hr shifts, like that drunk that burned the flag at a VFW post.<br /><br />WORKS FOR MEximezenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-74556216080215497642009-09-28T16:21:02.145-07:002009-09-28T16:21:02.145-07:00Bob said..."In other words, all other animals...Bob said..."In other words, all other animals live in time, not history. But human beings transpose time into history. Once we fully realize the implications of this, we can awaken from that particular nightmare and live in a transhistorical position, which is a sort of inverse analogy of the prehistorical position, since we are conscious of what the cave dweller was only unconscious. "<br /><br />This is very interesting, and woven deeply into my current line of thinking. Particularly, seeing history-both personal and collective-as a narrative that is one with yet distinctly differentiated from the timeless Essence of all things (a reality within Reality), should we continue this Earth narrative when we die? Having recognized the part of mySelf which transcends time and space, which abides in Eternal Space and is free from the messy workings of body and mind (as opposed to Mind), it is obvious that this non-local aspect of me can become engrossed and identified with any number of different forms. Understanding that my Will plays a partial yet integral role in my experience of future, where should I focus my intention?<br /><br />My intuition and inner experience tells me there are very rich (heavenly) abodes to dwell in, but can we continue with this narrative in some fashion for the purpose of service while still dwelling in a spiritual body? What about a the Idea of a super-culture, where all beings walk in gratitude to the Mystery and live long lives filled with abundance, exploration, fascination, and Delight? Where to direct one's Will when it is time to kick the bucket? <br /><br />Obviously, the most important thing is to stay Awakened to the Miracle. I mean, I already turned away from That once, and I don't plan on doing it again any time soon. That being said, there will assuredly be some type of experience to be enjoyed as this individual entity that I am, this soul, this nous, transfers from this data machine to another. I guess what I am saying is that if I have a choice, I will still be able to perceive and remember this body-mind's personal history as well as Earth's while I navigate into new experiences, new realities, hopefully filled with beings who are aligned with the One. Why? Because having a little me is fun when seen from the perspective of the real Me.Gazrielnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-31054585098988464832009-09-28T10:57:22.824-07:002009-09-28T10:57:22.824-07:00Character is so often expressed in 'little thi...Character is so often expressed in 'little things', and in contradiction to stated claims. <br /><br /><a href="http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/sep/24/congress-flies-tattered-flags-over-buildings/?source=newsletter_must-read-stories-today_photo_feature" rel="nofollow">Congress flies tattered, neglected flags:</a><br />"<i>Joe Davis, a spokesman for the Veterans of Foreign Wars, expressed dismay at the condition of the House office building flags. "There is no excuse for any American, most especially a government entity, to fly an unserviceable flag. All those elected officials and all their staffers see that flag every single day, and not a single person noticed? That's not right and that's not how you treat the flag of our country," he said.</i>"<br /><br />People of the highest character, often pay what others consider to be 'inordinate concern' to small details, and those same people often make snide comments at the seemingly unfair 'luck' those people enjoy, while their own concern for 'big issues' again and again unluckily collapse in defeat.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-44153364539605709032009-09-28T10:07:52.103-07:002009-09-28T10:07:52.103-07:00("inject Rousseau’s ‘necessity’ determinism i...("inject Rousseau’s ‘necessity’ determinism into a respected position for rejecting and discarding any ‘notion’ of Free Will."... into English thought.)<br /><br />wv:perti<br />eh... not so much.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-63194538651811764132009-09-28T10:05:11.134-07:002009-09-28T10:05:11.134-07:00Gagdad said “…I'm constantly bumping into Uncl...Gagdad said “…I'm constantly bumping into Uncle William and finding that he was as morally insane as any contemporary leftist.”<br /><br />Yep, he’s not much mentioned anymore, but he was rock star popular in his day, and I think did more than anyone else to inject Rousseau’s ‘necessity’ determinism into a respected position for rejecting and discarding any ‘notion’ of Free Will. In more ways than One, he was the father of the mother of Frankenstein.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-42098515361011376632009-09-28T09:58:24.249-07:002009-09-28T09:58:24.249-07:00Ooh... swift and sure are the hammer and pliers o...Ooh... swift and sure are the hammer and pliers of Cuz Dupree… I hadn’t even got the bat up to swing, and <i>whamO!!! Outta</i> da park!Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-77687192064260070792009-09-28T09:57:38.183-07:002009-09-28T09:57:38.183-07:00In my reading, I'm constantly bumping into Unc...In my reading, I'm constantly bumping into Uncle William and finding that he was as morally insane as any contemporary leftist.Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.com