tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post4207737149106144437..comments2024-03-18T21:33:35.309-07:00Comments on One Cʘsmos: Spiritual Gnosis vs. Progressive GnosticismGagdad Bobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-4327047909501561022008-04-09T04:40:00.000-07:002008-04-09T04:40:00.000-07:00Bob's posts often seem to mirror some point I happ...Bob's posts often seem to mirror some point I happened to be thinking about just a day or two before (syncoonicity, I guess)-- in this case, I'm in the middle of re-reading Vladimir Solovyov's "War, Progress, and the End of History". One of the characters is a political-gnostic type called the Prince, who expounds a kind of atheistic Christianity (minus the Resurrection, etc.), and another character, "Mr. Z.", says to him:<BR/><BR/>"...you not only admit with everyone else the fact of death as such, but you raise this fact to the position of an absolute law which does not in your opinion permit of a single exception. But what should we call the world in which death forever has the force of an absolute law if not the Kingdom of Death? And what is your Kingdom of God on Earth but an arbitrary and purposeless euphemism for the Kingdom of Death?"<BR/><BR/>You can tell whose side Solovyev is on! Anyway, I recommend the book very highly because it touches on a lot of what's being discussed here-- it was written in 1899, but I think the points made in it are still relevant.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-52013564720945903722008-04-08T21:45:00.000-07:002008-04-08T21:45:00.000-07:00You know, I'm often fascinated with peoples percep...You know, I'm often fascinated with peoples perceptions of the end of civilization... always seems to end in nuclear war, or Omega Man/I Am Legend like scenario's - what they often don't get is that, well yes, those would end civilization - but they are not necessary for the end of civilization. The end of civilization doesn't require the destruction of our buildings and cool stuff - just the destruction of our civility, our art, our integrity – our <I>way</I> of life. When we end our reverence or even recognition of the Good, the Beautiful and the True - we end civilization - doesn't mean you won't still be able to earn a paycheck, or more likely, collect a welfare check.<BR/><BR/>If BO leads us down the socialist path, the rest of <I>our</I> civilization will go away, because there will be nothing there to retain it.<BR/><BR/>Don't wait to become a remnant folks, stop it in its tracks now while you still can. Don't let the innocous "Oh, he seems so nice" go by without a gut check of "Yes, but will you still think so when breast cancer patients are put on a <A HREF="http://www.city-journal.org/html/17_3_canadian_healthcare.html" REL="nofollow">four month wait list</A> for chemotherapy?" or "Will you feel as good when heads are again rolling in Iraq?" or "Will it put a smile on your face when your child is <A HREF="http://www.barackobama.com/issues/service/#enable-americans" REL="nofollow"> forced to volunteer for universal public service?</A><BR/><BR/>When <A HREF="http://bastiat.org/en/government.html" REL="nofollow">Bastiat's</A> definition of the State is realized as "... the great fiction through which everybody endeavors to live at the expense of everybody else", how many smiles will you be able to spare through the weariness of supporting everyone else? How much generosity will you experience as you try to hide away any and as many 'valuables' (you know, sugar, soap... toothpaste) without your neighbor catching on that you have some... when Barry is pressing Change! getting the economy going again! by having farmers again destroying tons of crops, disposing of 'excess' livestock in pits, pouring excess milk down sewers- while people starve all around, just as happened last time when it was <A HREF="http://www.amazon.com/FDRs-Folly-Roosevelt-Prolonged-Depression/dp/0761501657" REL="nofollow"> FDR's Folly </A>.<BR/><BR/>Or you could just ask why the post racial candidate of good feelings had a delegate fired for warning her neighbors kids not to climb around so high in the tree like monkey's - as she often said to her own grandkids as well. "<A HREF="http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,348348,00.html" REL="nofollow">As for Obama</A>, he displayed his post-racial outlook by saying he saw no racism and that the woman obviously meant no harm since she said the same of her own grandchildren. Just kidding. In fact, the Obama campaign persuaded Sliwinski to step aside as a delegate calling her remarks "divisive and unacceptable."<BR/><BR/>The nice guys nice intentions won't need to destroy our buildings to destroy our civilization.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-67545582499342489052008-04-08T19:33:00.000-07:002008-04-08T19:33:00.000-07:00Lord of the Flies ... here ...Also, interesting st...Lord of the Flies ... <A HREF="http://hotair.com/archives/2008/04/08/civilization-ends-teens-beat-girl-brutally-and-film-it-to-post-on-youtube/" REL="nofollow">here</A> ...<BR/><BR/>Also, <A HREF="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nki8mQzI-Pw&feature=related" REL="nofollow">interesting stuff...</A>Ephrem Antony Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00032465992619034619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-14899155608406438102008-04-08T18:58:00.000-07:002008-04-08T18:58:00.000-07:00Wiley Brooks? -- how about Wiley E. Coyote? -- or ...Wiley Brooks? -- how about Wiley E. Coyote? -- or perhaps that's the HillBill. <BR/><BR/>I saw part of the smug Senate smarmy smearing. "Please don't try to shatter our concrete illusions with the truth." I'd say "Lord of the Flies" is a good call.<BR/><BR/>Bob said: <I>We shouldn't be surprised that the spiritual path of the left mirrors the stages of purification, illumination and union, only in reverse. First comes union with the new messiah.</I><BR/><BR/>First the Borg assimilates you. First the Zombies bite you and turn you into one of them.<BR/><BR/>Bob said: <I>and I have argued in the past -- "the craving to create a heaven on earth is the inevitable consequence of a godless society." Or, to paraphrase Pope Benedict, "the loss of transcendence leads to the flight to utopia."</I><BR/><BR/>Perhaps the opposite is also true. Is there a desire by some Christians to see hell on earth? The dystopian vision of the <I>Left Behind</I> series certainly did not sell millions of copies based literary merits.mushroomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07651027035577798096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-48682445146373841422008-04-08T16:39:00.000-07:002008-04-08T16:39:00.000-07:00Obama reminds me of Wiley Brooks. Will you bring ...Obama reminds me of Wiley Brooks. Will you bring me to Earth Prime, Barry? <BR/><BR/>http://www.breatharian.com/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-51916766162032685892008-04-08T15:07:00.000-07:002008-04-08T15:07:00.000-07:00IN our group of seers we refer to Barack Obama as ...IN our group of seers we refer to Barack Obama as "the hidden spear."<BR/><BR/>For any who wish for the rise of Mars, pleasure awaits. Obama will write his name as large as Napoleon, although not as large as Alexander the Great.<BR/><BR/>He will ask for, and recieve, our blood and treasure in heaps which make the current expenditures look paltry.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-22615783530351124982008-04-08T14:44:00.000-07:002008-04-08T14:44:00.000-07:00bob f. said:"Lord of the Flies" anyone?Say bob f, ...bob f. said:<BR/>"Lord of the Flies" anyone?<BR/><BR/>Say bob f, you must have been watching the Patraeus/Crocker hearing today too. Yup, those boys on the island have set up a Senate Committee to put themselves on display.<BR/><BR/>We can only hope a grownup, the Army officer, shows up in time...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-45839293799533263472008-04-08T13:29:00.000-07:002008-04-08T13:29:00.000-07:00I simply cannot understand the fascination with th...I simply cannot understand the fascination with this man they call Obama. From what I can see he is just another fascist/marxist racist who wants to take our money. You are so right about him trying to replace God with himself. I'm surprised these anti-religion "progressives" are so enthralled and get all tingly over him. Personally, his Sharpei smile really creeps me out, superficially speaking, but his ideas are what really scare the bejesus out of me!Lisahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04969685296436358865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-62002141452896596642008-04-08T13:26:00.000-07:002008-04-08T13:26:00.000-07:00"As an aside, it is ironic that Obama is hailed as..."As an aside, it is ironic that Obama is hailed as someone who can "unify the nation," when he can't even unify his own party. To the contrary, this has been the most divisive Democrat campaign in 40 years."<BR/><BR/>Of course, given that there is no substantive difference between the two democrats, they must resort to divisive tactics. It reminds me of the Republican primaries of 2000, and I found this from McCain's campaign manager: <BR/><BR/>http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2004/03/21/the_anatomy_of_a_smear_campaign/?page=1<BR/><BR/>Again, that was an instance where the two leftists, in this case Republicans, had no real differences, and therefore, needed to resort to smearing to secure "victory".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-47013890949351428672008-04-08T13:20:00.000-07:002008-04-08T13:20:00.000-07:00dilys here:A young blogger cited by Classical Valu...dilys here:<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://www.stop-obama.org/?p=512" REL="nofollow">A young blogger</A> cited by <A HREF="http://www.classicalvalues.com/archives/2008/04/fake_wisdom.html" REL="nofollow">Classical Values</A> has it pegged: ObamaSpeak as the manifestation of a legacy of the <EM>Evangelists of “Fake Wisdom thought” conceived in the anti-rationalist atmosphere of the Antebellum South.</EM><BR/><BR/>And <BR/><EM>credential-less Pathological Liar to be interpreted as Eloquent, Articulate, and Charismatic, because the color is right. With Obama, America’s moral compass is disappearing into a dimly lit layer of “pretend-thinking” and “Fake Wisdom Thought”....</EM><BR/><BR/>Yes, credential-less. Every time he or Mrs. O'Articulate opens his or her mouth, my Harvard Law degree becomes worth less than a plugged Lincoln penny.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-43619251801138141242008-04-08T13:18:00.000-07:002008-04-08T13:18:00.000-07:00>>We shouldn't be surprised that the spiritual pat...>>We shouldn't be surprised that the spiritual path of the left mirrors the stages of purification . . . <<<BR/><BR/>It really is monastic, in a sense, this leftist insistence on purification. Thus "re-education camps", diversity/sensitivity training, the whole nine yardage of PC crap.<BR/><BR/>Example: Mao's "Cultural Revolution" - those accused of counter-revolutionary thought, if they were lucky enough to survive, were held in cells, forced to admit their mental "contaminations" - an aping of the spiritual self-examination you'd find in a monastery.<BR/><BR/>Speaking of Mao - those Chinese thugs who accompanied the Olympic torch in England and France . . . you could see the dull but brutal light of political "purity" right there.<BR/><BR/>As far as BHO's call for "unity" - as J Goldberg points out in Liberal Fascism, the fascist progressives always call for Unity with a capital U. Correct me if I'm wrong here, but did not JC say he came not to bring peace (unity) as the world counts peace, but rather the sword of separation?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-52120269403426387842008-04-08T12:52:00.000-07:002008-04-08T12:52:00.000-07:00Bob that was one fine post. B Hussein O would be ...Bob that was one fine post.<BR/><BR/> B Hussein O would be a disaster for this country and I think the rest of the world. His anger and rage could spill over in a foolish reaction to an international incident. It may be similar to Clinton's stupid bombing of Christians in Bosnia to defend Mo's boys, who would, if they could bomb, the U.S. <BR/><BR/> And fugetabout his socialist domestic policies. He should alarm every American that loves his country.Jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16202441664961886198noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-64921745258048792892008-04-08T12:35:00.000-07:002008-04-08T12:35:00.000-07:00"Lord of the Flies" anyone?We can only hope a grow..."Lord of the Flies" anyone?<BR/><BR/>We can only hope a grownup, the naval officer, shows up in time...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-56059521867286472822008-04-08T12:32:00.000-07:002008-04-08T12:32:00.000-07:00What a post - a density of intensity!spiritual gno...What a post - a density of intensity!<BR/><BR/>spiritual gnosis vs. progressive gnosticism: <BR/><BR/>sublimating the physical vs. repressing the spiritual.<BR/><BR/>Integration vs. uncontrolled eruption<BR/><BR/>Freedom vs. slaveryAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-86259230325796748402008-04-08T11:44:00.000-07:002008-04-08T11:44:00.000-07:00This was an awesome post, Bob! Interesting topic....This was an awesome post, Bob! Interesting topic.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-47870623497704948662008-04-08T11:12:00.000-07:002008-04-08T11:12:00.000-07:00Bob, Just finished making this post into a PDF to...Bob, Just finished making this post into a PDF to launch into cyberspace. I consider it a new front in the counteroffensive for Team Truth. With boundless gratitude, qpQPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15827536245376441948noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-82915041815527589392008-04-08T11:09:00.000-07:002008-04-08T11:09:00.000-07:00"The very definition of "totalitarianism" is the "..."The very definition of "totalitarianism" is the "existential rule of Gnostic activists": "Indeed, the story of totalitarianism is the story of men trying to replace the allegedly discredited old God with one of their own creation." So de-divinization always preceeds the "redivinization" of explicit left wing brainwashing."<BR/><BR/>The tower of babble erected to Obama the mama...that <BR/>ill-loonimating city of the abyss.USS Ben USN (Ret)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07492369604790651538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-12397587320134688842008-04-08T10:57:00.000-07:002008-04-08T10:57:00.000-07:00"In other words, ask not what Obama can do for you..."In other words, ask not what Obama can do for you. Ask what you can do for Obama."<BR/><BR/>Bravo Zulu Bob! That's a slam dunk description of the submanbama!USS Ben USN (Ret)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07492369604790651538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-27927756136647627132008-04-08T10:46:00.000-07:002008-04-08T10:46:00.000-07:00"...real religion is the best defense against fals..."...real religion is the best defense against false ones."<BR/><BR/>That's a keeper, Bob!USS Ben USN (Ret)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07492369604790651538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-80062880863904676052008-04-08T10:40:00.000-07:002008-04-08T10:40:00.000-07:00In contrast to the false profit BO, who offers his...In contrast to the false profit BO, who offers his law, a law that proceedes from his will, I prefer this: <BR/><BR/>"To me Moses is all men grown to gigantic proportions.<BR/>He was a man of immense ability, immense emotions, immense humanness and immense dedication. There is something of Moses in each of us — the more there is, the better we are.<BR/><BR/>It is interesting to note that once Moses climbs Mt. Sinai and talks to God there is never contentment for him again. That is the way it is with us. Once we talk to God, once we get his commission to us for our lives we cannot be again content. We are happier. We are busier. But we are not content because then we have a mission — a commission, rather. <BR/><BR/>Moses is the keystone to every man's ethical code. He was the first man of record in history to conceive of the law as separate from the will of a ruler, to choose whether a man should live by grace of law, or law by grace of man. In a literal sense Moses lives at every council table today."<BR/><BR/>Charlton Heston<BR/><BR/>The spiritual pathology Obama (and the left) tries to force upon us, is the exact opposite of the free gift of God. <BR/><BR/>Those like Obama can't conceive of the law as separate from the will of a ruler. <BR/>Therefor there is no truth or justice in Obama's "law".<BR/>There is only tyranny.USS Ben USN (Ret)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07492369604790651538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-76465907901511903012008-04-08T10:01:00.000-07:002008-04-08T10:01:00.000-07:00What nomo said! I don't think the wider audience ...What nomo said! I don't think the wider audience will read it, but the refrain keeps running...<BR/>"just drink the koolaid." Sadly, freedom means we can just keep trying to fill the holes in our lifes with drugs, material goods, celebrities and whatever other distraction serves to mask the pain. Thus as a society we've become vulnerable to cult psychology, and politics as religion. <BR/><BR/>Yes please push farther on gnosis. Meanwhile may we all push back on BHO, and keep pushing. The man as president? Well it ought to scare us all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-75129562381781657012008-04-08T09:45:00.000-07:002008-04-08T09:45:00.000-07:00I just wanted to be the first to say, "brilliant"....I just wanted to be the first to say, "brilliant". This deserves a WIDE audience. Thanks!<BR/><BR/>Although I don't believe the dems have a speck of a chance this time around (it's just too scary), better understanding what's driving the mania is crucial.NoMohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01100042056270224683noreply@blogger.com