tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post3948161015314776439..comments2024-03-27T11:16:36.951-07:00Comments on One Cʘsmos: The Logotomized Always LieGagdad Bobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-44652482512326299812010-11-25T07:36:27.100-08:002010-11-25T07:36:27.100-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Jackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06708393262849661076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-76670102695132723912010-11-24T05:21:55.288-08:002010-11-24T05:21:55.288-08:00(Psst! Cuz Dupree! Wakey wakey, clean-up on aisle ...(Psst! Cuz Dupree! Wakey wakey, clean-up on aisle three)Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-53263994612142348132010-11-24T05:15:55.364-08:002010-11-24T05:15:55.364-08:00mushroom said "I'm making connections wit...mushroom said "I'm making connections with this post in every paragraph. It's alive."<br /><br />Yup.<br /><br />"BH, you'll be OK. The rest of the herd ran off a cliff. Head for the river."<br /><br />Lol. True, but still lol.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-55229518778973457552010-11-24T05:12:12.870-08:002010-11-24T05:12:12.870-08:00“With dumb-as-a-postmodernity, much of Western civ...“With dumb-as-a-postmodernity, much of Western civilization has undergone a spiritual logotomy that results in the removal of one's higher spiritual sense. ”<br /><br />Painfully true.<br /><br />“one thing modern developmental psychoanalysis has discovered over the past 40-50 years is the priority of the mind's container over and above its content. Or, at the very least, one must always regard container and contained dialectically, for there can never be one without the other.”<br /><br />I like this idea of container and content (an integrated set of Qualities and quantities…?). I wonder, such as with the mention of the need of spontaneity, would something like my old favorite of a scaffolding… or I’m imagining a3D shaped and enclosed wire mesh, what, armature? like they sometimes use for plants or even sculpture, which encourages the growth within its form, but also in turn shapes the growth beyond its constraints, without breaking them?<br /><br />Eh… then again… K.I.S.S.<br /><br />“Please note that the omnipotence of the fantasy -- the end -- justifies the means required to attain such a beautiful thing, which always requires the coercion (and implicit violence) of the state.”<br /><br />Exactly the case.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-26920038622096095042010-11-23T18:41:33.265-08:002010-11-23T18:41:33.265-08:00I am intrigued by today's post. My son, whom I...I am intrigued by today's post. My son, whom I think fills his own container half the time without help, was inquiring last night about ancestors, trying figure out how we are all connected. ("It had to start somewhere and how did they become all of these different families if it was just started by two people? Wouldn't we all be in the same family then? How would you figure that out exactly?") <br /><br />He wanted a definitive answer on how we could trace ourselves back to the beginning. Person by person. I finally managed to clearly communicate that sometimes we just have to know that there are questions we cannot completely answer. But the questions are part of the journey. We had to trust, even though he couldn't go back line by line and lay out the evidence. To my surprise, he reacted by being open to the idea of not knowing-a big step for him.<br /><br />I always hope that I don't leave him with a cracked or tainted container. He is quite conservative at the tender age of six. I, on the other hand, have gradually become more and more conservative in my impending maturity.Linda Murphyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16801313102525232162noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-18754117792267429162010-11-23T15:39:08.800-08:002010-11-23T15:39:08.800-08:00I have some friends that don't seem to be eith...I have some friends that don't seem to be either left or right, liberal or conservative. They don't seem religious, but they don't seem non-religious either.<br /><br />They don't refute GW but they don't support it either. <br /><br />Everything is taken on a case-by-case basis with them, with no ideological template that I can detect except expediency.<br /><br />Interesting jobs, money, convenience in food prep and house cleaning, the well-being of family members, enjoyment of diversions, aquisition of consumer electronics and cars, seem to be on the docket.<br /><br />They don't talk God, environment or politics. They just yawn.<br /><br />I call them centrists, fence-sitters, or non-aligned.<br /><br />They pay taxes and vote, but how else does this class of persons affect our nation and what value do we place on them, if any?Open Trenchhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06354412002318534131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-32352053739778568742010-11-23T15:06:16.768-08:002010-11-23T15:06:16.768-08:00I became a conservative in high school.
And it wa...I became a conservative in high school.<br /><br />And it was only in college that I became religious in any real sense at all. It might have helped that the guy across the hall from me converted to Catholocism and ran off to join a monastary and my roomate became a Catholic priest.<br /><br />I think these might have been unusual experiences at a major state school in the 1990s.<br /><br />Of course, I still don't know who I am or what I am doing with my life.JPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11126071014909954387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-59301641381439939302010-11-23T13:59:06.660-08:002010-11-23T13:59:06.660-08:00BH, we are sympatico. You are welcome.
Per Prage...BH, we are sympatico. You are welcome.<br /><br /><i>Per Prager, a big part of the problem of leftism is the rejection the facts of life.</i><br /><br />That's mostly the point Kipling made in "The Gods of Copybook Headings" -- that we think increasing knowledge gives us not only the right but the power to decide what is real and what constitutes wisdom.mushroomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07651027035577798096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-39363085319256958332010-11-23T13:45:58.804-08:002010-11-23T13:45:58.804-08:00Julie says:
"Per Prager, a big part of the p...Julie says:<br /><br />"Per Prager, a big part of the problem of leftism is the rejection the facts of life. In that sense, they retain a childishness - a juvenile refusal to accept that which one doesn't want to know - while simultaneously losing the childlike ability to be open, etc., if that makes any nonsense."<br /><br />That sounds about right.<br /><br />I'm going with my new assertion that leftism is a permanent cult with no real leader. <br /><br />All you need is a fervent desire to create your own reality while retaining the childish rejection of actual reality. Plus you need lots of feelings coupled with a lack of rationality.<br /><br />Leftists cannot think (meaning those who tend toward the Mommy State). But, boy, can they feel.<br />They have lots of feelings. And their feelings are easily hurt.JPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11126071014909954387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-33181453941195093222010-11-23T13:10:23.623-08:002010-11-23T13:10:23.623-08:00Apropos of nothing, this little throwaway line at ...Apropos of nothing, this little throwaway line at the end of today's <a href="http://lileks.com/bleat/?p=8357" rel="nofollow">Bleat</a> is just sublime:<br /><br /><i>I love falling asleep with the distant sensation of engines and waves. It’s a comfort. The sea is home to us all. It is the void from which we emerged. And now it’s even better, because there’s French Toast.</i>juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-85044988555651255842010-11-23T12:51:25.065-08:002010-11-23T12:51:25.065-08:00When Jesus says that we must be as children in ord...<i>When Jesus says that we must be as children in order to enter the Kingdom of Heaven, he surely doesn't mean that we must stamp our feet and throw a temper tantrum until God lets us in. Rather, he's talking about things like openness, spontaneity, creativity, timelessness, and trust (or faith).<br /><br />Now, "openness," "spontaneity," "timelessness," etc., all apply to the container, not the content.</i><br /><br />Per Prager, a big part of the problem of leftism is the rejection the facts of life. In that sense, they retain a child<i>ish</i>ness - a juvenile refusal to accept that which one doesn't want to know - while simultaneously losing the child<i>like</i> ability to be open, etc., if that makes any nonsense.juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-27390786502938262212010-11-23T12:44:04.449-08:002010-11-23T12:44:04.449-08:00Related, Prager.Related, <a href="http://townhall.com/columnists/DennisPrager/2010/11/16/the_liberal_mind_rejects_sad_facts" rel="nofollow">Prager</a>.juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-16055996441801589832010-11-23T11:38:14.424-08:002010-11-23T11:38:14.424-08:00Mushroom:
Regarding your advice. I will head for...Mushroom:<br /><br />Regarding your advice. I will head for the river. I will lie down in the soothing waters. I can see it so clearly. <br /><br />There are trout in the crystalline stream that will guard me. <br /><br />The wicked arrowhead that has jabbed and sliced me inside since infancy will bury itself in the gravel riverbed and be fossilized.<br /><br />I shall emerge dripping and refreshed, no longer a wounded bison but a whole person at last, after my long immersion. <br /><br />My container will be intact . What years remain to me will be better.<br /><br />Thank you, Mushroom. From you came precisely the right thing I needed to hear.black holehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07366633817665791528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-51320425813698018572010-11-23T10:39:08.806-08:002010-11-23T10:39:08.806-08:00In other words, thinking spiritually in a truly cr...<i>In other words, thinking spiritually in a truly creative way means that there must be an interaction between container and contained that produces new thoughts.</i><br /><br />This goes back to Friday's observations about how things line up. Without a container that allows for enough light to seep in and illuminate the underlying truths of disparate elements, thus helping to produce those new thoughts, there could be no growth. Perhaps even no <i>potential</i> for growth, depending on how stifling the existing container may be...juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-14675933502925393942010-11-23T10:15:27.455-08:002010-11-23T10:15:27.455-08:00Bob says:
"I was also thinking of how normal...Bob says:<br /><br />"I was also thinking of how normal people typically become more conservative with the maturational process, in contrast to those people with quite visibly dysfunctional containers who remain liberal for life, e.g., Air America, MSNBC, the tenured, etc. Because of the broken container that cannot contain its primitive content, their madness is palpable to others."<br /><br />I was anti-Reagan in elementary school.<br /><br />I was pro-union in middle school.<br /><br /><br />I've been conservative since High School. Although this was probably just a generic Republicanness. I'm not happy with any political party these days.<br /><br />I just absorbed the conservative approach because I figured it was more logical than being an insane communist/leftist.<br /><br />Is there anything to this Erikson thingy? As far as I can tell, I never really established an identity (stage 5) or intimacy (stage 6).<br /><br />I figured that you never wanted to rebel against your parents because your parents were the ones who provided you with insructions as to what you were supposed to do with your life. Ergo, you do what your parents tell you to do. I tried to replace my parents with my friends as the driving authority in my life, but that didn't work very well. <br /><br />I haven't had functional parents since I was about 23(?) or so (death and debilitating stroke). Which means they long since ceased having any influence on me.<br /> <br />At some point, I put my life on autopilot and engaged cruise control. I figured I could make it all up later once I got some money and saved up for retirment. I figured I needed a few million dollars (at least) to accomplish anything of value in life.<br /><br />All I know is that I have no idea who I am or what I am doing with myself. <br /><br />I do save money well, however. But just exsiting until I reach retirement isn't working out so well.<br /><br />I can also ask "hey, what's the point of [whatever it is I don't understand]?"JPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11126071014909954387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-78171624942503805972010-11-23T10:14:47.956-08:002010-11-23T10:14:47.956-08:00I'm making connections with this post in every...I'm making connections with this post in every paragraph. It's alive.<br /><br />BH, you'll be OK. The rest of the herd ran off a cliff. Head for the river.mushroomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07651027035577798096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-31984350472484329122010-11-23T10:10:57.283-08:002010-11-23T10:10:57.283-08:00I was also thinking of how normal people typically...<i>I was also thinking of how normal people typically become more conservative with the maturational process</i><br /><br />I wonder how many people never reach that stage of development simply by virtue of local culture - that is, because literally almost everyone they know is a leftist? I'm thinking of people like Neo and Robin of Berkeley particularly, inasmuch as they managed to move past it in spite of their surroundings; had something not provided an awakening, so to speak, one wonders if they'd still reflexively think left, simply by virtue of being contained within a rigid cultural construct?juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-9987783412484590012010-11-23T09:39:16.895-08:002010-11-23T09:39:16.895-08:00OK then. My parents dropped the ball, and I never ...OK then. My parents dropped the ball, and I never made it to Erickson #1. <br /><br />My container is cracked. My contents are tainted.<br /><br />I'm an old bison cow with a broken off arrow protruding from behind my left foreleg. It has been dripping my life blood for decades. <br /><br />I'm tired. I can barely wobble across the steppe. I have no hands. How can I get this sharp point out of my center so i can heal?<br /><br />Is there recovery from a deficit at Erickson #1? I'm desperate.black holehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07366633817665791528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-59515521423362077332010-11-23T09:33:48.364-08:002010-11-23T09:33:48.364-08:00I was also thinking of how normal people typically...I was also thinking of how normal people typically become more conservative with the maturational process, in contrast to those people with quite visibly dysfunctional containers who remain liberal for life, e.g., Air America, MSNBC, the tenured, etc. Because of the broken container that cannot contain its primitive content, their madness is palpable to others.Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-52206948480019335522010-11-23T09:12:04.376-08:002010-11-23T09:12:04.376-08:00Veering off topic already, I was just looking at t...Veering off topic already, I was just looking at the reviews for <i>The Servile Mind</i>. One of the commenters remarked,<br /><br /><i>In a similar irony, the more we ask the government to do in the name of altruism, the more interest-group-politics result, where we all end up vying for a piece of the government pie at the expense of others. </i><br /><br />I saw this in action a couple of years ago, up close and personally, when I accompanied SnoopMurph to a meeting of the State Legislature where she had been asked to speak on behalf of state funding of arts programs. It was being requested that some of the funds be used to cover the expense of filling in or closing off abandoned mines, which would save lives (a lot of them are simply holes straight down; people have walked or driven into them, never guessing their next move would be their last), and the man making the request was very passionate about the endeavor. He had a lot of great points. Apparently, he had been in to the legislature many times, requesting funds from practically everywhere, and had been turned down at every point.<br /><br />Thus, we were in the absurd position of pitting arts programs <i>against</i> efforts to reduce the number of literal death traps hidden all over the state. Two elements which should never have been in opposition, imho.juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-52470192675590711532010-11-23T08:46:57.193-08:002010-11-23T08:46:57.193-08:00...never argue with the other guy's content wh...<i>...never argue with the other guy's content when his container is so messed up.</i><br /><br />That sounds like the sort of thing one should have to write 100 times across a chalkboard. Maybe a post-it note will have to do...juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.com