tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post3834630822083824623..comments2024-03-28T12:10:26.197-07:00Comments on One Cʘsmos: Bob and Christopher's Excellent AdventureGagdad Bobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comBlogger23125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-57281850515683419662013-03-24T09:43:23.332-07:002013-03-24T09:43:23.332-07:00Time is a spiral, and space as well, a spherical s...Time is a spiral, and space as well, a spherical spiral... "The vision of the spherical spiral, the true vision of space. Very elusive, must be practiced. Important because it is the just representation of time-space, abstracted from the infinite flow and extension that pulls us into the facts. The spherical spiral is impossible to imagine, you must see it become in space." <br />And he concluded with a convoultion of hands and forearms that came closer than a thousand impossible words to evoking this double helix, no longer linear and gaining dimension in contrary motion by folding the edge of its space back onto itself..."<br /><br />[<i>Al-Kemi: Hermetic, Occult, Political, and Private Aspects of R. A. Schwaller de Lubicz</i>]gehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02015936407999495181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-55223950505277616372013-03-24T08:33:06.461-07:002013-03-24T08:33:06.461-07:00(↺)(↺)Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-2918982784078968352013-03-24T08:27:17.570-07:002013-03-24T08:27:17.570-07:00"But it is a circular movement, one I have sy..."But it is a circular movement, one I have symbolized (↓↑). Of course, I'm talking about the spiritual world while Bohm is talking about the physical world, but the important point is that it's the same pattern:<br /><br />"For every moment of time that is projected out into the explicate order there would be another movement in which that moment would be injected or 'introjected' back into the implicate order" (Bohm).<br /><br />"This whole process -- forms ceaselessly emerging and then being reabsorbed -- accounts for the influence of past forms on present ones, and also allows for the emergence of new creative forms" (ibid.)."<br /><br />It's not really circular.<br /><br />It's spiral.<br /><br />I think you need a new word or maybe a new symbol.<br /><br />The up/down arrows are great and all, but it doesn't quite hit the nail on the head.JPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11126071014909954387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-83955081467922300812013-03-24T08:23:20.546-07:002013-03-24T08:23:20.546-07:00"Let's see. Each moment -- both objective..."Let's see. Each moment -- both objectively and subjectively -- is "a translation, or unfolding, of a primordial and multidimensional reality into the more familiar three-dimensions-plus-time modality." Looked at this way, the world is a sort perpetual movement from infinite to finite, or, as we prefer to say, from O to (n)."<br /><br />Well, yeah.<br /><br />I mean it's artwork, isn't it? <br /><br />You need a canvas, and space+time seems to be an excellent one.<br /><br />JPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11126071014909954387noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-4996106055814106742013-03-23T11:26:20.927-07:002013-03-23T11:26:20.927-07:00Ted said "I got through 5 minutes of that ent...Ted said "I got through 5 minutes of that entropy."<br /><br />That's positively heroic. I ended their world at 2:19.<br /><br />"I don't understand how you as a marginalized person can further marginalize another marginalized person."<br /><br />Click.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-44115851178061544532013-03-23T11:04:14.879-07:002013-03-23T11:04:14.879-07:00I read this post right after I came across yet eve...I read this post right after I came across yet even more controversy surrounding Thomas Nagel's "Mind and Cosmos". It's incredible, this atheist philosopher is really being treated like a heretic by his peers for daring to question the intelligentsia's sacred cow of Darwinian materialism.Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04865413665629644313noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-25472138610400866422013-03-23T07:03:06.797-07:002013-03-23T07:03:06.797-07:00One trendy phrase I wish they'd added: 'Th...One trendy phrase I wish they'd added: 'That said...' [true, it's usually in Comments to articles or reviews but why not a place in everyday say-0 parlance too?]gehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02015936407999495181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-90942436968098681452013-03-23T05:09:41.903-07:002013-03-23T05:09:41.903-07:00Julie, I got through 5 minutes of that entropy. Bu...Julie, I got through 5 minutes of that entropy. But I think we have found a new torture method that may be considered politically correct.tedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07354048695798015131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-91465641894086089722013-03-22T21:51:11.910-07:002013-03-22T21:51:11.910-07:00Finally, I have something horrifically apropos, vi...Finally, I have something horrifically apropos, via Ace: <a href="http://www.breitbart.com/Instablog/Thread?ThreadID=%7B362040F4-10E6-4872-8962-0A0309DB9EB2%7D" rel="nofollow">The Thought Leaders of Tomorrow</a><br /><br />This is what happens when language becomes completely unmoored from reality, or indeed from anything but the constant expression of "personal truth."<br /><br /><i>Homer: Marge, I'm feeling a lot of shame right now.<br />Marge: I'm hearing that you feel a lot of shame.<br />Homer: And I feel that you hear my shame.<br />Marge: I'm feeling annoyance and frustration, but also tolerance.<br />Homer: I feel validated by that.<br />Marge: Good! I'm glad we had this talk.<br />Homer: Me too. [walks off whistling]</i><br /><br />Heh - of course, for this to work, somebody has to agree to be tolerant...juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-31308685070624575432013-03-21T19:20:47.559-07:002013-03-21T19:20:47.559-07:00My pleasure, Ted.My pleasure, Ted.Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13720790978632771716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-23514627128491589402013-03-21T18:59:30.054-07:002013-03-21T18:59:30.054-07:00Wow Rick, thank you very much! And of course, tha...Wow Rick, thank you very much! And of course, thank you Bob for the authorship! I got some nice bedtime reading to do.tedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07354048695798015131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-24845961054523108252013-03-21T18:38:45.084-07:002013-03-21T18:38:45.084-07:00Ted,
Take two of these and call Bob in the morning...Ted,<br />Take two of these and call Bob in the morning.<br /><br />Dr Bob's Whirl Famous Elixirs:<br /><br /><a href="http://thewarbook.wordpress.com/?attachment_id=264" rel="nofollow">PDF 1</a><br /><br /><a href="http://thewarbook.wordpress.com/?attachment_id=265" rel="nofollow">PDF 2</a><br /><br />Instructions:<br /><br />Step 1. Cut the red wire.<br />Step 2. But first, cut the green wire.<br /><br />~ Your DispatcherRickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13720790978632771716noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-89606073942075326702013-03-21T17:21:38.733-07:002013-03-21T17:21:38.733-07:00This makes them very boring and very predictable. ...<i>This makes them very boring and very predictable. Lifeless. No spark. But good accountants.</i><br /><br />An artist can masquerade for years as a good accountant. Some are just quirky like the guy I wrote stat programs for in Dallas in the early '90s who knew every fragment of Elvis minutia imaginable. He was very intense about everything else, but, get him started on Elvis, and he was still very intense and really weird.mushroomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07651027035577798096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-85556618248541955982013-03-21T15:27:22.464-07:002013-03-21T15:27:22.464-07:00Heh - that's actually the age I meant. I don&#...Heh - that's actually the age I meant. I don't know if it's just Miami, or kids in general at that age and without adult supervision, but out here they tend to act like little psychos. Usually just to each other, but today I actually had to yell at a pack of Jewish (!) kids who were dangerously rough housing in the toddler playground. They left, but eventually came back, loudly announcing over and over that they "didn't have to listen to that lady!" Though notably, for all their bravado they were somewhat subdued. By which I mean they had ceased trying to kill each other (and any passing, oblivious toddler) with the swings and settled for mere punching, chokeholds, and spitting in each other's faces.<br /><br />Toddlers are crazy, too, but usually the parents are there to restrain them to some degree. The older kids out here, though, seem to be accustomed to having virtually no supervision nor accountability - and act accordingly. Usually happens when we come across kids in a "camp," which out here seems to mean 30 kids accompanying one or two disinterested adults to local playgrounds to act out their developing pathologies. Anyway, they have all year to practice flaunting authority. I never saw much of that in Mesa, though generally we managed to avoid older kids so perhaps it's prevalent there, too.<br /><br />One thing I do know: if I had gone to my mom or whoever was in charge to complain about parents at the *toddler* playground, she would have wanted to know what I had done to deserve it, and what business I had there in the first place. Apparently those weren't important concerns to whomever was in charge of these kids.juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-33576503587123112332013-03-21T15:11:36.632-07:002013-03-21T15:11:36.632-07:00This time yesterday I was having the most fun film...This time yesterday I was having the most fun filmic-music immersion in a while, in that Ginger Baker documentary<br /><a href="https://www.wetransfer.com/downloads/2e03c6af5bc8b49fcdd1a338e49ba4b120130320155401/2fa78f" rel="nofollow">Beware of Mr Baker</a> <br />-Caught his inimitableness live once with a little combo aka BLIND FAITHgehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02015936407999495181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-63151592595230500512013-03-21T14:22:33.010-07:002013-03-21T14:22:33.010-07:00Notice I didn't say babies or toddlers. Or te...Notice I didn't say babies or toddlers. Or teens. Five to eleven, say. Or, just to be on the safe side, seven, maybe eight. Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-28470938158763265152013-03-21T14:09:58.632-07:002013-03-21T14:09:58.632-07:00Children are there most of the time, which is why ...<i>Children are there most of the time, which is why it is so refleshing to be around them.</i><br /><br />Of course, that depends on the children. All too often lately, I see them acting out a live version of <i>Lord of the Flies</i>...juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-63915349340807480752013-03-21T12:15:18.942-07:002013-03-21T12:15:18.942-07:00Heck yeah, I'm interested.
All day long we ...Heck yeah, I'm interested. <br /><br /><i>All day long we see a constant stream of things that evoke various feelings that are a reliable indicator of the degree of "life" or wholeness present.<br /><br />we must enter a state of O --> (n), in which we constantly listen to subtle messages of the world. </i><br /><br />Yes, it's like there are little teachable moments all around. A is a lot like B where B is some universal truth. They kind of hit you and then you mostly forget them.John Lienhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02302615225311776021noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-38653903456100616302013-03-21T11:05:51.641-07:002013-03-21T11:05:51.641-07:00The term Maximus uses is 'logoi' meaning (...The term Maximus uses is 'logoi' meaning (variously) words, ideas...Ephrem Antony Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00032465992619034619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-59656298382556628082013-03-21T11:04:42.599-07:002013-03-21T11:04:42.599-07:00There may be more info on that here. I'm seein...There may be more info on that <a href="https://kdp.amazon.com/self-publishing/signin" rel="nofollow">here</a>. I'm seeing more published papers for digital readers on Amazon (some free, some for a fee).tedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07354048695798015131noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-139209017827857032013-03-21T10:57:58.923-07:002013-03-21T10:57:58.923-07:00Oh, and I would agree that there are eternal patte...Oh, and I would agree that there are eternal patterns in the implicate order -- archetypes, or Ideas in the Mind of God, so to speak. In fact, <a href="http://minx.cc/?post=338506" rel="nofollow">Ace</a> had a good riff on one of them yesterday.Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-516877916763971882013-03-21T10:55:29.517-07:002013-03-21T10:55:29.517-07:00I wouldn't know how to do that, but I think Ri...I wouldn't know how to do that, but I think Rick of <a href="http://thewarbook.wordpress.com/" rel="nofollow">The War</a> fame once somehow uploaded a couple for potential dissemination to the masses. But I could be wrong. Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-87805604547482865642013-03-21T10:45:18.349-07:002013-03-21T10:45:18.349-07:00Great read!
My ex-girlfriend also had very littl...Great read! <br /><br />My ex-girlfriend also had very little explicate order, but had no problem tossing out her expletive disorder. <br /><br />Bohm use to also make the assumption that there were preexisting creative potentials in the explicate order. Does this also fit with your thinking? Much like strange attractors giving us our telos. <br /><br />Lastly, would you ever make some of those old published papers available online (even if for a small fee)?tedhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07354048695798015131noreply@blogger.com