tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post3382888810282551012..comments2024-03-28T12:10:26.197-07:00Comments on One Cʘsmos: Una and Saguna*, or the Juan and the MannyGagdad Bobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comBlogger29125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-81922473566603033692009-12-05T05:23:48.182-08:002009-12-05T05:23:48.182-08:00the Niz & Ramesh are masters of Noumenon....I ...the Niz & Ramesh are masters of Noumenon....I would also add Wei Wu Wei. But true perhaps too 'eastern'---too otherworldly? for our future, the youths del mundogehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02015936407999495181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-57703711607352406482009-12-04T08:25:54.542-08:002009-12-04T08:25:54.542-08:00Hello Van. I have time to rebut you this fine Frid...Hello Van. I have time to rebut you this fine Friday.<br /><br />I stand in the docket as counsel for the defence of the NAIM.<br /><br />The NAIM is not fully oriented around nihilism.<br /><br />Some parts may be; it is a thinly disguised existenchialism. But the better NAIM's are not nihilistic.<br /><br />Take OSHO as an example of the better, salmonella and all.<br /><br />The NAIM will not define what is found after all is taken away but doesn't think it is only void; it may include void but is not limited to that.<br /><br />There is no doubt to the NAIM. What is looked for is rather easily found. <br /><br />Take sleep, for instance. Every person gets a chance for full ego effacement every night during sleep.<br /><br />We all get to be with Source at least daily in a form of natural meditation, called sleep.<br /><br />So, the methods of NAIM are just an extention of "sleep" mode into other areas of life.<br /><br />As far as selfhood, it is like water. Ice is like ego, liquid water is like lovers, steam like meditator or dreamer. Many phases, all valid, none cancel the other.<br /><br />To study religion, to pray, to believe, is all good but at some point you have to quiet yourself and recieve input from Source.<br /><br />NAIM defence now rests.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-89602760516393000772009-12-04T07:55:39.026-08:002009-12-04T07:55:39.026-08:001,2,3,4,5,6... in a row... ok, with the Seventh co...1,2,3,4,5,6... in a row... ok, with the Seventh comment, I'll rest.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-42091863844706278622009-12-04T07:54:11.122-08:002009-12-04T07:54:11.122-08:00Warren said "Anyway, his "message" ...Warren said "Anyway, his "message" always boils down to nihilism in the end, regardless of the translation."<br /><br />And regardless of who is saying it or where or for what purpose.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-81306781357121067802009-12-04T07:49:38.297-08:002009-12-04T07:49:38.297-08:00Anonymous said "The reason the NAIM groups sp...Anonymous said "The reason the NAIM groups spin to the left politically is because most arise in the Northern California area, a bastion of Democrats."<br /><br />Heh... so it's a matter of geographical determinism? Come on.<br /><br />"The "take home" element of the NAIM is the phenomenon of "take away."<br /><br />Closer to it there, leftism is rooted in Doubt, not "Questioning" as they like to try and present it, but in denial of reality, skepticism, a taking away of one truthful belief after another, trying like mad to get to their goal of nihil.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-25525037739186537982009-12-04T07:42:00.643-08:002009-12-04T07:42:00.643-08:00"For example, the lowbrow atheist Sam Harris ..."For example, the lowbrow atheist Sam Harris seems to have no problem with Eastern approaches that really amount to no more than a kind of glorified self-hypnosis. Thus, he unwittingly but inevitably (because of the a priori rejection of wisdom, or the Word) embraces the most flagrantly anti-intellectual forms of spirituality, a la Deepak Chopra and his grubby ilk."<br /><br />Yep, for all his 'proud' upholding of western science and individuality, he dives into the very worst pools of mysticism imaginable, and not only does he not realize he's all wet, but covered in slime.<br /><br />Ugh.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-89174109147917771242009-12-04T07:30:17.068-08:002009-12-04T07:30:17.068-08:00"Bolton agrees that the relation of One and M..."Bolton agrees that the relation of One and Many is hardly an abstract or impractical question. Again, it underlies the fundamental divide between left and right, theist and atheist: "The manner in which the relation of the One and the Many is understood, however confusedly, has an influence which extends even to politics" -- and not just party politics. For example, the American system of government was deliberately set up so that the One (the executive) would be balanced by the Many (the congress), with a "holy spirit" (the Law) in between."<br /><br />Ooohhh... I like that, very good... and of course, very True.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-18714322365049113942009-12-04T07:27:03.910-08:002009-12-04T07:27:03.910-08:00"In contrast, libertarians exalt the part (th..."In contrast, libertarians exalt the part (the individual) to the exclusion of the whole (the spiritual community), which is why true conservatives can only have an uneasy relationship with them. Not surprisingly, capital-L Libertarians (i.e., Paulians, Randians, and members of the party of one) split off entirely from the conservative insurrection, which is why they will always be an insignificant minority, or chaotic herd of eccentrics."<br /><br />Oh boy am I ever experiencing the truth of that up close and personal.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-34331868083303561262009-12-04T07:25:57.250-08:002009-12-04T07:25:57.250-08:00"Is the One merely an abstract sum of the Man..."Is the One merely an abstract sum of the Many, or are the Many merely a concrete emanation or feature of the One? The manner in which you resolve this question at the outset will determine a multitude of logical corollaries and entailments that follow. Watch that first metaphysical step, for it is indeed a doozy!"<br /><br />Indeed it is. And if you take your first step surefootedly, as did the founders when they put their right foot foward, there's always the chance that the left foot will misstep or slip. We're trying real hard to regain our balance right now.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-91977703645361667642009-12-04T00:18:42.700-08:002009-12-04T00:18:42.700-08:00I am so stealing that.I am so stealing that.robinstarfishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15665546554663005609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-15640440216218893362009-12-03T18:20:56.828-08:002009-12-03T18:20:56.828-08:00Search of the day:
coonoscopy
(to which Robin wa...Search of the day:<br /><br /><i>coonoscopy</i><br /><br />(to which Robin was apparently recently subjected)Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-27358734796281459872009-12-03T18:06:57.851-08:002009-12-03T18:06:57.851-08:00These spiritual nihilists are pretty much worthles...These spiritual nihilists are pretty much worthless. So I guess we agree, in a way.Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-51989276702604997772009-12-03T18:01:22.246-08:002009-12-03T18:01:22.246-08:00>> "I AM THAT"
I was quite famili...>> "I AM THAT"<br /><br />I was quite familiar with Nisargadatta at one time, especially that particular book. Did you ever notice that what he's saying changes utterly, in both substance and style, from book to book, depending upon whom is translating him?<br /><br />Anyway, his "message" always boils down to nihilism in the end, regardless of the translation.<br /><br />This is made utterly clear in the talks of Nisargadatta's own anointed successor, Ramesh Balsekar, whose genial nihilism (the very deadliest kind) is right up front. And Balsekar's works are in English, so there's no room for doubt about what he has actually said.<br /><br />Needless to say, my opinions, along with four bucks or so, will get you an over-sweetened coffee-like drink at Starbucks....Warrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13623170987747998335noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-53643995307257025382009-12-03T17:49:44.997-08:002009-12-03T17:49:44.997-08:00The good doctor has written a new prescription for...The good doctor has written a new <a href="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0307589714/ref=s9_newr_gw_tr03?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-5&pf_rd_r=1SQ9G8Z5KEDJ9PDG1JSX&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=470939291&pf_rd_i=507846" rel="nofollow">prescription</a> for us all. <br /><br />And, as one reviewer said, "This is the one we've been waiting for ... I'm going to give them for the holidays!"walthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01388218390016612051noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-78848573850843124472009-12-03T17:08:44.807-08:002009-12-03T17:08:44.807-08:00You're both wrong. Stay tuned to find out why...You're both wrong. Stay tuned to find out why!Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-58538187021950088552009-12-03T17:05:17.482-08:002009-12-03T17:05:17.482-08:00To Howard, I would reply, to chip away at the self...To Howard, I would reply, to chip away at the self until there is nothing left, as per the Trappist Monk, is as wrong a movement as to aggrandize the self as paramount.<br /><br />Both approaches are incomplete and unbalanced.<br /><br />A middle-of-the-road approach, where the self is kept in check and partially effaced, is also a wrong movement when used alone.<br /><br />Paradoxically, the only correct approach to selfhood is to be both effaced and strongly individualized, and also to incorporate a moderated bit of both. <br /><br />The trick is to spread things out over time, so that at one point you are egoistic and violent at work, then get quiet and efface oneself for awhile in meditation, then go to see your mate and love her as a partially effaced self.<br /><br />Nothing less than the full range accomodates human growth.<br /><br />So Bob, you don't necessarily want to blow the "only one life, noone who lives the life" to smithereens. It has its time and place too and is true and valid, while also not denying the validity of individuality.<br /><br />A very fluid and overarching conceptualization is needed in the area of selfhood to avoid hardening oneself into an untenable position.<br /><br />Close the monasterys-they aren't really making the grade?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-26622109264434510822009-12-03T15:47:24.576-08:002009-12-03T15:47:24.576-08:00Nisargadatta's erroneous belief that "the...Nisargadatta's erroneous belief that "there is only life, there is nobody who lives a life" is precisely what we are in the process of blowing to smithereens.Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-32678742883941081892009-12-03T15:40:28.848-08:002009-12-03T15:40:28.848-08:00I commend to your attention the compilation, "...I commend to your attention the compilation, "I AM THAT," of more than 100 Q&A discussions between Nisargadatta Maharaj and a range of visitors seeking understanding of reality.<br /><br />The topics go the head and heart of the matter and beyond. Translated into simple English,the read will gnaw away at your seeming self until, as the Trappist monks say,Howardnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-81185674343363239052009-12-03T14:52:04.516-08:002009-12-03T14:52:04.516-08:00I'd like to use my 50/50, Reeg!I'd like to use my 50/50, Reeg!Kathy Leenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-9659153435324636792009-12-03T14:14:20.854-08:002009-12-03T14:14:20.854-08:00And they only get one guess.And they only get one guess.Cousin Dupreenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-22442178108074444892009-12-03T14:07:17.780-08:002009-12-03T14:07:17.780-08:00The new age/integral movement is largely based on ...The new age/integral movement is largely based on meditation. <br /><br />The reason the NAIM groups spin to the left politically is because most arise in the Northern California area, a bastion of Democrats.<br /><br />The "take home" element of the NAIM is the phenomenon of "take away."<br /><br />The basic postulate is that if you remove enough stuff (thoughts, desires, past, future), then the underlying Godhead inside your own noggin becomes foregrounded. In essence, get out of your own way.<br /><br />Bob's approach to spirit in part consists of philosophical study and the writing of his essays. This would be seen by the NAIM as an approach ramp or preparation for meditation and contact with Godhead, but all of it would have to removed during meditaiton so the requisite space needed for the bacgrounded Godhead to come to the fore could be acheived. <br /><br />The question for the NAIM would be whether philosophical study is "worth it" from a cost/benefit standpoint.<br /><br />There is a risk of getting attached to, and conditioned by, philosophy and thereby masking your own basic understanding of Godhead, which theoretically is already present and waiting for you to be silent and listen.<br /><br />Every racoon should ask themselves, could there be something to this?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-44316869155441634182009-12-03T13:45:28.933-08:002009-12-03T13:45:28.933-08:00That was @Anonymous. There's no "person&...That was @Anonymous. There's no "person" without desire.Susannahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16381272662339466736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-48715129047221996672009-12-03T13:43:49.169-08:002009-12-03T13:43:49.169-08:00"It was when I was happiest that I longed mos..."It was when I was happiest that I longed most...The sweetest thing in all my life has been the longing...to find the place where all the beauty came from." C. S. Lewis, "Till We Have Faces"Susannahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16381272662339466736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-17513892616704952862009-12-03T13:32:10.903-08:002009-12-03T13:32:10.903-08:00Paulians in no way have split off from true conser...Paulians in no way have split off from true conservatism, because they recognize that states have the right to legislate on behalf of the community.<br /><br />They just don't want one super-government legislating for everyone; if we respected states' rights, for example, from the outset of Roe v. Wade many states would have outlawed abortion.Johnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-73047436676928142392009-12-03T12:13:29.166-08:002009-12-03T12:13:29.166-08:00>> Not just him, but most of the new-age/int...>> Not just him, but most of the new-age/integral movement.<br /><br />Oh, true. But the difference is that Harris openly screams his atheism from the rooftops, while at the same time allying himself with various pseudo-mystical ideas. Most of the New Age and/or Integral folks are not nearly so explicit or honest about their atheism, at least in my experience.<br /><br />And that is the closest I will ever come to praising Sam Harris....Warrenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13623170987747998335noreply@blogger.com