tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post3364764263179199138..comments2024-03-18T21:33:35.309-07:00Comments on One Cʘsmos: Temporal Dilation, Cosmic Music, and Human Be-Who (11.12.10)Gagdad Bobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comBlogger28125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-39453137188817821252007-12-12T04:44:00.000-08:002007-12-12T04:44:00.000-08:00I would like to know? When the republican debates ...I would like to know? When the republican debates were televised, a question was asked concerning the GLOBALIZATION of Canada,the U.S., and Mexico. The answer was rather convulted but the answer was, We are fighting an Ideaoloigy that some pepole have. Why dosen't the press explain this fight? Why no names of each side?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-4677375164247195372007-12-06T08:19:00.000-08:002007-12-06T08:19:00.000-08:00I remember Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania standing ...I remember Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania standing up to the soviets, I remember mass protest gatherings, but don't remember the singing...<BR/>Looks like wikepedia has something on it thoughVan Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-47264707671370384702007-12-06T07:51:00.000-08:002007-12-06T07:51:00.000-08:00Speaking of music, has anybody heard of The Singin...Speaking of music, has anybody heard of <A HREF="http://www.thesingingrevolution.com/" REL="nofollow">The Singing Revolution</A>? I got an email about it this morning (they're wisely directing their marketing campaign to singing groups). The movie looks like it could be interesting anyway. Somehow, I missed this particular event in the media/ history.<BR/><BR/>Anyone know more?juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-5684700628958895672007-12-06T06:40:00.000-08:002007-12-06T06:40:00.000-08:00"When we hear a good piece of music for the first ..."When we hear a good piece of music for the first time, we somehow are familiar with it - even though we are hearing it for the first time. The contour, the logic of the music seems to us to be inevitable in some way, albeit we are surprised and delighted in its unfolding."<BR/><BR/>How true this is - it's how I "memorize" music. But what really amazes me is how many (musically talented) people I know who don't seem to really get that (or maybe they just can't retain it?).juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-7289650973085693592007-12-06T05:45:00.000-08:002007-12-06T05:45:00.000-08:00Magnus said "we should work on superbras"If you fo...Magnus said "we should work on superbras"<BR/><BR/>If you focus on the clasp, it doesn't matter whether it's super or not - I used to have the one handed, three fingered unsnap movement down pat and...<BR/>oh.<BR/>"superbras<B>s</B>"<BR/>How embarrassing.<BR/>(rereading)<BR/>Yes, that makes much more sense now, agree completely.<BR/>Sorry, carry on.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-26272335217350908352007-12-06T05:38:00.000-08:002007-12-06T05:38:00.000-08:00Will said "Good music enters our psyches permanent...Will said "Good music enters our psyches permanently"<BR/><BR/>"...da dum <I>Of the Glow of <BR/>The dream of the nightbird</I>...dee da"<BR/><BR/>;-)Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-74005445412879050172007-12-06T02:54:00.000-08:002007-12-06T02:54:00.000-08:00So now that we have superstrings, we should work o...So now that we have superstrings, we should work on superbrass next?<BR/><BR/>I think I'll leave that to the experts for now. The dilation of the present sounds more like my neighborhood. Good old Elias Aslaksen maintained that the Sabbath rest was intended to eventually fill every day of the week. There are six days to do your work, and one day for God to do His work in you. Eventually this will expand so that God works in us to will and to work, seven days a week (or perhaps eight days a week, say I, since time seems to expand during this therapy) and hopefully we entirely cease to do our work, that is to say, to work on behalf of the little ego.<BR/><BR/>That goal is rather far off for me, but I've been and spied in the land, and it was good.Magnus Itlandhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18445902788427523461noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-57288488435830134812007-12-05T22:47:00.000-08:002007-12-05T22:47:00.000-08:00A few thoughts on music-as-microcosm-of-the cosmos...A few thoughts on music-as-microcosm-of-the cosmos:<BR/><BR/>As is the cosmos, good music is holistic. A discerning ear can hear the whole in one phrase.<BR/><BR/>When we hear a good piece of music for the first time, we somehow are familiar with it - even though we are hearing it for the first time. The contour, the logic of the music seems to us to be inevitable in some way, albeit we are surprised and delighted in its unfolding. <BR/><BR/>We must recognize good music in the same way we recognize a truth given to us by the cosmos. When we do become aware of a truth, it seems instantly familiar to us; in a sense, we feel that we "have known it all along" though we have not been aware that we have known it. <BR/><BR/>Good music enters our psyches permanently, we do not forget it. We are, in a way, incapable of forgetting good music. Of course, it's the same when a truth is revealed to us. A truth doesn't just reveal itself one time to then be tucked away in the back of our minds - a truth goes on ringing permanently in that it has invested us with a new clarity. Indeed, when we hear good music, we do feel clarified, braced, justified. <BR/><BR/>I've no doubt that the cosmos is a symphony, replete with cycles, variations, an inevitable "destiny" to which all its parts serve to fulfill, and, of course, a final movement which unites all themes. And at the most microscopic level, the level where "solidity" loses meaning - aren't those "particles" or "waves" really just vibrations? Little music notes?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-62641481437696417842007-12-05T21:59:00.000-08:002007-12-05T21:59:00.000-08:00Q: If subatomic k-meson particles can run backward...Q: If subatomic k-meson particles can run backwards, and we are made of the same building blocks, can they behave as a key that unlocks a potentiality for the human mind to process eternal time as past-present-future? <BR/><BR/>A:<BR/><BR/>----------<BR/><BR/>In a more poetic vein, Heschel says, "Time is perpetual innovation, a synonym for continuous creation. Time is God's gift to the world of space. <BR/><BR/>To witness the perpetual marvel of the world's coming into being is to sense the presence of the Giver in the given, to realize that the source of time is eternity, that the secret of being is the eternal within time. <BR/><BR/>Creation is the language of God, Time is His Song, and things of space the consonants in the song. To sanctify time is to sing the vowels in unison with Him."robinstarfishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15665546554663005609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-8339207734617101192007-12-05T21:48:00.000-08:002007-12-05T21:48:00.000-08:00River, who knows if the opposite cosmos - if there...River, who knows if the opposite cosmos - if there are opposites - meet. Maybe at the end of the end of time when this cosmos is in complete sympathetic vibration with its Creator, maybe then they would meet beyond time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-44627756461348885012007-12-05T19:17:00.000-08:002007-12-05T19:17:00.000-08:00Do the cosmoses meet? Or...? How does one even con...Do the cosmoses meet? Or...? How does one even conceive of what might happen?Ephrem Antony Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00032465992619034619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-78563769798351078272007-12-05T16:09:00.000-08:002007-12-05T16:09:00.000-08:00OK, a theory - Before linear time, even before Ete...OK, a theory - <BR/><BR/>Before linear time, even before Eternal Time, there was the potentiality of time in which all time pre-existed in its potential state. Forward time, backward time, sideways time all (pre)existed at once, cancelling each other out so that, in effect, no time existed. Creation was thus the blocking, limiting of what was previously the infinite time field into a forward linear time. (Lucky for us because otherwise we would have remained mere potentialities in infinite time) <BR/><BR/>Anyway - considering that the balance of opposites gives birth to existence - the One/the Many, male/female, yin/yang, positive/negative, etc. - would it not make sense that the very moment our forward time-directed cosmos was born, another cosmos was also born with a backward time direction? Of course, it would seem a backward time direction to us - however, as far as the opposite cosmos would be concerned, our cosmos would have the backward time-direction. <BR/><BR/>Correct me if I am wrong.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-40492470371816669022007-12-05T15:21:00.000-08:002007-12-05T15:21:00.000-08:00Van - In other words, there's too many notes?Van - In other words, there's too many notes?NoMohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01100042056270224683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-8119036363738556482007-12-05T14:27:00.000-08:002007-12-05T14:27:00.000-08:00Anybody see Pan's Labyrinth? Amazing depiction of...Anybody see Pan's Labyrinth? <BR/><BR/>Amazing depiction of the "nightime" aspect of consciousness. And the timeless quality of the music... <BR/><BR/>Anyways, I was quite moved by the movie's ending. <BR/><BR/>I was struck by the fact that the fairy tale part of the story, which seemed real only to Ophelia, was in fact "more real" than any of the terrible happenings in her so-called real life.<BR/><BR/>Her fairy tales were dismissed as pure fantasy, and her death was perceived as a tragedy. But in truth, it marked her happy return to her rightful throne beside her father as Princess Moanna.<BR/><BR/>This movie really highlighted how far removed we are from reality, and how deep the Truth actually goes.<BR/><BR/>WV: Ahuztvrs <BR/><BR/>Is it Purim already?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-58283111157656512752007-12-05T13:41:00.000-08:002007-12-05T13:41:00.000-08:00Beautiful music; stunning, moving visual images of...Beautiful music; stunning, moving visual images of the Cosmos,<BR/>momentarily dispel the Enigma of Time. <A HREF="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMZETRh8iOw&feature=related" REL="nofollow">Hear today</A>, gone tomorrow.Mizz Ehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02325435271880036807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-32157502058616416012007-12-05T13:32:00.000-08:002007-12-05T13:32:00.000-08:00"Certain things just must be, and one of them is t..."Certain things just must be, and one of them is that our individual consciousness partakes of a much greater consciousness, in the same way that our little ego relates to the cosmic Dreamer who dreams us. One image Alan Watts used to employ is that of a lampshade with hundreds of pinholes. Viewed from the outside, it will look as if there are hundreds of little lights, but in reality, there is only the one bulb at the center."<BR/><BR/><I>[ckshha]'Your attention please. The Captain is reporting that we have landed, on behalf of Air Raccoon Ways, we hope you enjoyed the turbulence today, and hope you will choose to fly with us again in the near future... past... whatever.'</I>Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-26164216885698290312007-12-05T12:15:00.000-08:002007-12-05T12:15:00.000-08:00"without reducing meaning to meaninglessness, as d..."without reducing meaning to meaninglessness, as does science?"<BR/><BR/>I feel compelled to amend that to <I>modernist</I> science (which is a somewhat mutually exclusive pairing).<BR/><BR/>As I'm going to say elsewhere (in place and time), modernism took <BR/><BR/>"...proper Science, the practice of temporarily partitioning a whole for the purpose of examining its particulars in order to better comprehend and understand the whole, and short circuited it into being a practice of permanently partitioning the whole for the purposes of establishing pet particulars as several separate and independent wholes of their own..."Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-13254770405825797862007-12-05T12:05:00.000-08:002007-12-05T12:05:00.000-08:00Energy/Time = WorkPhysics knows it, it just don't ...Energy/Time = Work<BR/><BR/>Physics knows it, it just don't wanna admit it.<BR/><BR/>Time is... workin' out yer salvation with fear and tremblin'! It's passed, its a present, and its futuristic!Ephrem Antony Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00032465992619034619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-57460360841159923862007-12-05T11:44:00.000-08:002007-12-05T11:44:00.000-08:00"In fact, in rereading Eliot's Wasteland yesterday..."In fact, in rereading Eliot's Wasteland yesterday, I could hear how very "musical" it is, with complex motifs recurring and commenting upon one another as the poem unfolds, just as in a symphony. Thus, it seems that poetry in general would represent a closer approximation to the structure of reality than any ordinary linear prose."<BR/><BR/><I>Yes!</I> Poetry succeeds at doing to thought, what music does to tapping, gives it substance and completion and beauty in a package fully graspable, and yet with intersections to eternity.<BR/><BR/>(yes, I said I'd continue reading. Didn't say I wouldn't stop... for a moment. Pass on by, nothing to see here, just ignore the mumbler on the curb, obviously enduring an OC spastic frontal lobe swirl.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-52524243895224940142007-12-05T11:38:00.000-08:002007-12-05T11:38:00.000-08:00"A true image of time must be an image for the ear..."A true image of time must be an image for the ear, an audible image made of tones.... Thanks to music, we are able to behold time." <BR/><BR/>Time is but the movement of Now, movement is an action which something takes, but it is the thing that is acting, do we think of movement itself as existing after the action is done? And yet we don't question that the movement happend, or that it somehow still exists and that its shadow existence may yet change....<BR/><BR/>Music is spiritual conceptual movement in time (Ha!) Now. A symphony "...has a complex vertical structure (i.e., the "spatial" chords) and a more open and horizontal "melodic" aspect that wends its way through the chords...", as a sculptur sculpts a sculpture - the formless is by movement given form - but those movements don't exist, the sculpture does. Isn't the delight of music that it lets us grasp from start to finish and all points in between, as a complete sculpted whole - seemingly escaping that inexorable end of all movement, the slide from Now into past? The layers are layered into a creation that exists and seems to beat Time....<BR/><BR/>Hmm... they were out of Breakfast Blend this morning... had to take Sumatra... perhaps the past is catching up with me. Tell ya what... I'll just keep reading... pay no attention to the mumbler on the sidewalk.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-11883025910401885592007-12-05T11:20:00.000-08:002007-12-05T11:20:00.000-08:00van - Yes. ;-)van - <BR/><BR/>Yes. ;-)robinstarfishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15665546554663005609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-81687823929359120162007-12-05T11:15:00.001-08:002007-12-05T11:15:00.001-08:00I do grasp the concept... but I'm afraid as more o...I do grasp the concept... but I'm afraid as more of a wrestling hold, than as a hug, and something tells me that to hug it, is not as safe as it seems.<BR/><BR/>. .<BR/>. .<BR/><BR/><BR/><I>Boton explains "to give the experience of change," time "must form a combination of static and dynamic elements. A time series which consisted of pure dynamism could not supply any kind of experience because every element in it would have become something else before it could be known." Alternatively, "a purely static time would not be temporal at all. Only a mingling of the changing with the unchanging can constitute time..."</I><BR/><BR/>This relies on Time as being a thing, or three things. On the other hand, what if Time... isn't... but only that Consciousness IS?<BR/><BR/>Something in me wants to say that there is no future, only present expectations of change, and there is no past, only present conceptions of what had (heh - I know, but...), mere tracings of actions which we organize as memories of Consciousness in action. Here exists. Then does not. Perhaps instead of,<BR/><BR/><I>"the contents of the past and present are thus in constant change by virtue of their changing relationship to the present." </I><BR/><BR/>...there is nothing more than Now consciousness as it gains more information, updates its virtual understanding of the Now that no longer is? Could it be that there is no more a thing of Time, than there are the lines our mind imagines for us connecting four dots when we seem them arranged in the pattern of a square?<BR/><BR/>I do grasp that all that IS, is an unfolding of what it was, and will be - demonstrating that we cannot escape the mental formulation of Time, but those <I>was's</I> and <I>will be's</I> may be but inklings of the One that they are a part of, but like the imaginary lines of the four dotted square, does that necessarily mean that time IS something other than something we pretend to see?<BR/><BR/>Sorry, perhaps if I finish todays post, it'll work out, but it's been digging at me since yesterday (supposedly), and demanded to blurted out <I>NOW!!!</I>Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-69510787737318878832007-12-05T11:15:00.000-08:002007-12-05T11:15:00.000-08:00Spy report: Fundamental Errors and Other Minor Gli...Spy report: <A HREF="http://ionthesky.blogspot.com/2007/12/fundamental-errors-and-other-minor.html" REL="nofollow">Fundamental Errors and Other Minor Glitches.</A><BR/><BR/>I promised Van!Ephrem Antony Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00032465992619034619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-19152454579570640352007-12-05T11:08:00.000-08:002007-12-05T11:08:00.000-08:00"The word became flesh and dwelt among us."Burning...<I>"The word became flesh and dwelt among us."</I><BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://robinstarfish.blogspot.com/2007/12/burning-bush.html" REL="nofollow">Burning Bush</A><BR/>unlocking the earth<BR/>in broken language of things<BR/>the ancient of daysrobinstarfishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15665546554663005609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-36573152057274062012007-12-05T11:00:00.000-08:002007-12-05T11:00:00.000-08:00and Bobtized... so to speak....and Bobtized... so to speak....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com