tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post3212934578816589879..comments2024-03-28T12:10:26.197-07:00Comments on One Cʘsmos: It Takes a Cosmos: My Evolving Thoughts on EvolutionGagdad Bobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-57446948303888659782009-07-13T21:30:58.997-07:002009-07-13T21:30:58.997-07:00Nomo said "(I Cor 1:18-31)"
Nomo, I too...Nomo said "(I Cor 1:18-31)"<br /><br />Nomo, I took my medicine. Every drop.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-50817051325285099042009-07-13T07:29:55.590-07:002009-07-13T07:29:55.590-07:00Perhaps a nice way to start the day (considering t...Perhaps a nice way to start the day (considering the recent discussions):<br /><br />(I Cor 1:18-31)<br />For the word of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. <br />For it is written,<br />"I WILL DESTROY THE WISDOM OF THE WISE, AND THE CLEVERNESS OF THE CLEVER I WILL SET ASIDE." <br /><br />Where is the wise man? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? <br /><br />For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not come to know God, God was well-pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe. <br /><br />For indeed Jews ask for signs and Greeks search for wisdom; but we preach Christ crucified, to Jews a stumbling block and to Gentiles foolishness, but to those who are the called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. <br /><br />Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men. <br /><br />For consider your calling, brethren, that there were not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble; but God has chosen the foolish things of the world to shame the wise, and God has chosen the weak things of the world to shame the things which are strong, and the base things of the world and the despised God has chosen, the things that are not, so that He may nullify the things that are, <br />so that no man may boast before God. <br /><br />But by His doing you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption, so that, just as it is written, "LET HIM WHO BOASTS, BOAST IN THE LORD."NoMohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01100042056270224683noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-70122644743966145002009-07-13T06:48:01.073-07:002009-07-13T06:48:01.073-07:00Van-
Thanks for that very apropos analogy. It'...Van-<br /><br />Thanks for that very apropos analogy. It's like adding cool whip to the pie (the regular cool whip not the diet). Not that there's anything wrong with the diet cool whip.<br /> <br />Of course, now they have chocolate and strawbwerry cool whip but I prefer the original flavor. Not that it it really matters.<br />It's all good, cool whippy goodness. <br />Maybe you might like all the flavors at the same time, kinda like mixin' Schuon and Teilhard.<br /><br />Just think of them as cosmic cool whip flavors but magically delicious, and without the "bad" calories. <br /><br />Okay, I dunno how Van's analogy got me started on cool whip but just go with it, okay? It still works...in a sense.USS Ben USN (Ret)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07492369604790651538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-83119480246522800442009-07-13T06:35:25.719-07:002009-07-13T06:35:25.719-07:00Thanks Bob.
I got more outta this post the second...Thanks Bob. <br />I got more outta this post the second helping. <br />All worthy of requoting, but this really stood out:<br /><br />But more fundamentally, I firmly believe that "all truth comes from God." If it doesn't look like it on the surface, then that's our problem, not God's. <br /><br />Yes indeedy. Affirmamendo, as they say in Argentina. Or at least according to what Skully says they say in Argentina. :^)USS Ben USN (Ret)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07492369604790651538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-50489920902331048622009-07-12T21:26:17.927-07:002009-07-12T21:26:17.927-07:00"First, no esoterist considers himself superi..."First, no esoterist considers himself superior to those with a more traditional, exoteric point of view. In fact, of the two of us, they are the more important, because they preserve the embattled vertical message through the ravages of horizontal time. Without them, it is very unlikely that we'd be here talking about the Christian vision. The same is especially true of Judaism. Imagine the moral courage of the many generations of Jews who kept the traditions alive and in tact, so that they can be studied esoterically. Unlike the ungrateful tenured, we know that bullets come before poetry and guns before academic freedom."<br /><br />Speaking of syncoonisity, I watched the execrable Maher's 'Religulous' today. And aside from just wanting to slap him silly... I noticed something disturbing, from the start - not in the movie, but in me. For awhile... a sense akin to pleasure in seeing the more literalistic fundies skewered by his flat world 'wit', especially the poseurs and politico's parading themselves in the colors of faith... but there were a couple of exceptions. In about the first scene, one biter clinger stands up and says "I don't know what your documentary is about, but you disrespect my God and we've got a problem. I don't know about the rest of you, but I'm outta here.", and I thought <i>'Yesss!'</i>. Here was someone who knew what they believed, and felt no need to win the approval of a fool by debating the worth of his own belief to himself, on the fools false field of play. And there was another, a middle aged lady refused to engage in his snide doubtectomy, and as he tries to bait her with 'you seriously believe that...' she eyes him like he's the idiot he is, and says something like 'Yep! And I'll rise up on a white horse in that end time with the lord!'.<br /><br />And I had a very similar thought to what you said above. While he had been trying to say how he couldn't understand how smart people could be so stupid to believe in talking talking snake stories, I was first thinking "Then ask yourself why they do you moron! There's something more to it than that! There is a deeper meaning!", and then I was struck by the thought that 'Who in the heck would bother passing down pedantic stories of deeper meaning, but devoid of poetic fire and sturdy belief? And if some did, who would spread them? Struggle for them? Be inspired by them? On a much lesser level, could you imagine going to see Star Wars, and see Darth Vader discussing with Luke, "Now, understand, this helmet, these mechanical limbs I have, are really only trivial symbols of material power, the actually show more of how empty a shell of a man I have become'... who the heck would watch that? Who would tell anyone else about it? What kids would ever see themselves as Luke Skywalker battling the forces of evil? Magnify that a gajillion times, and it approaches this here. Thank God for those allow the 'tales' to live and give life and be passed on.<br /><br />It is at least a case of the 80/20 rule. It requires a large number of people who enjoy and believe the (pardon the term) tale, and repeat the tale, spread the tale, and somewhere among them, a few might find deeper meaning within them, and they may be able to help those who, content with the tale, at times may need help in applying it to an issue in their lives... but nothing happens without those tales first giving and receiving life for what they fully are, being fruitful and multiplying.<br /><br />And in those moments of comfortable superiority, enjoying the discomfort of the 'lesser' being tweaked, it is good to remember that for all the depth I may flatter myself for grasping, it is in a comparatively narrow sense, and the person who truly accepts and revels in the entire tale, encompasses it All, and though they may not grasp what I might consider to be as much intellectually, they grasp the complete tale in its entirety, which I suspect is far more fulfilling than my deep slice.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-55359431626089398142009-07-12T17:49:31.465-07:002009-07-12T17:49:31.465-07:00That's as good a definition of the genre as I&...That's as good a definition of the genre as I've seen - try to fit that on a rack tag though. ;-)<br /><br />The rarum titles include all my old faves - thanks for the heads up. Heck, I must own at least 20 ECM LPs - now I have to go excavate the closets to count them. And get them on the iPod. It's been way too long since I've spun most of 'em.robinstarfishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15665546554663005609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-71809179056547301482009-07-12T13:55:51.069-07:002009-07-12T13:55:51.069-07:00The ones I really enjoy seem to combine American j...The ones I really enjoy seem to combine American jazz, European classical, ambient, and world music into one tidy package....Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-57357332626932564892009-07-12T13:52:15.540-07:002009-07-12T13:52:15.540-07:00Yes, their motto is "the most beautiful sound...Yes, their motto is "the most beautiful sound next to silence." They've put together a series of 20 "best ofs" from some of their long-time key artists, called <a href="http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_wl?url=search-alias%3Dpopular&field-keywords=rarum&x=16&y=21" rel="nofollow">rarum</a>, remastered in state-of-the-magic 24 bit/96kHz. There are a few that don't do anything for me, but most of them are great.Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-80903122105234821592009-07-12T13:41:01.923-07:002009-07-12T13:41:01.923-07:00My point is that it is not as if the esoterism is ...<i>My point is that it is not as if the esoterism is "hidden" or "secret." Rather, it is right out in the open. It is full of mystery, and mystery is a mode of God. </i><br /><br />Yes, it takes a willful <i>refusal</i> to see his tracks, a decisive act of negation, to pretend He does not walk right <a href="http://robinstarfish.blogspot.com/2009/07/uncorked.html" rel="nofollow">here among us</a>.<br /><br />I have maybe 10 ECM LPs, all from decades ago, and they are still fresh and open as ever. The original "Big Sky" music. I pull out Terje Rydpal now and again to transport me along Scandinavian fjords.robinstarfishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15665546554663005609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-24257453861512257982009-07-12T12:58:18.714-07:002009-07-12T12:58:18.714-07:00Ironically enough, much earlier in my life, it was...Ironically enough, much earlier in my life, it was the exoteric Christian message that I ran away from. During my sojourn in the eastern 'spiritual'realms (so much more sophisticated don't ya know)I mocked with wild abandon the likes of the Moral Majority and she of the heavy face paint and mascara.<br /><br />Thank you Bob for helping me see the back door and helping me regain entry into the most authentic spiritual path!Seannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-26130336688498711672009-07-12T12:52:08.264-07:002009-07-12T12:52:08.264-07:00In other words, the church needs Peter and John......In other words, the church needs Peter <i>and</i> John....Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-25651483728429934742009-07-12T12:47:34.028-07:002009-07-12T12:47:34.028-07:00Yes, I thought the same thing in reading that arti...Yes, I thought the same thing in reading that article this morning. Thank God for exoterists! In a past post I addressed the <a href="http://onecosmos.blogspot.com/2007/05/on-utter-uselessness-of-coons.html" rel="nofollow">uselessness</a> of Coons (although, in reality, as Will often points out, we do have our hidden usefulness that radiates to the susceptible and puts a little fiber into the world soul, as it were).Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-19407679233070264052009-07-12T12:34:10.394-07:002009-07-12T12:34:10.394-07:00Bob said:
"An anonymous commenter yesterday c...Bob said:<br />"An anonymous commenter yesterday criticized me for lowering myself to the level of a mainstream, "exoteric" Christian, N.T. Wright. First, no esoterist considers himself superior to those with a more traditional, exoteric point of view. In fact, of the two of us, they are the more important, because they preserve the embattled vertical message through the ravages of horizontal time. Without them, it is very unlikely that we'd be here talking about the Christian vision."<br /><br />Talk about synchronicity... reading this article this morning over at American Thinker...<br /><br />"God and Sarah Palin<br />Stuart Schwartz<br />Sarah Palin loves God. God loves Sarah Palin. And that is why they hate her...and Him.".....<br /><br />made me realize exactly what Bob has alluded to. The resumption of our Country's earlier clear moral purpose can only be accomplished, in the trenches if you will, by the 70% of Americans who make up the exoteric Christian base in this country. The more esoteric of us seem to have a hard enough time being perceived as Christians but that does not make us any less important to the overall clause.<br />The engagement now seems to be one between good and evil and none of us can afford to sit it out.<br /> <br />As my West Point Cadet son would say...<br />Fix bayonets!Seannoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-29380631305722128872009-07-12T11:45:53.488-07:002009-07-12T11:45:53.488-07:00What a gorgeous recording: Changing Places, by th...What a gorgeous recording: <a href="http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00008G997?tag=onecosmos-20&camp=14573&creative=327641&linkCode=as1&creativeASIN=B00008G997&adid=1SQGHMZPEPSH644P46WT&" rel="nofollow">Changing Places</a>, by the Tord Gustavsen Trio (I have all three of their CDs, and they're all great). Not only do you hear the space between his notes, but the larger space from which music emerges from the Void. It is "implicitly" religious, for those with ears to hear.<br /><br />I love the whole philosophy of the ECM label, which doesn't record a project for commercial reasons, but simply because it "ought to exist." But they are obviously quite successful, with 700 or 800 titles in their catalogue. I probably have about fifty....Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-16823994170950549242009-07-12T11:15:11.857-07:002009-07-12T11:15:11.857-07:00Bob writes, "The question is, what is the pla...Bob writes, "The question is, what is the place of Man in the cosmos?"<br /><br />The little space within the heart is as great as this vast universe.<br />The heavens and the earth are there, and the sun, and the moon, and the stars;<br />fire and lightning and winds are there;<br />and all that now is in Him and He dwells within our heart,<br /><br />Upanishadstheofilianoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-70376524510149103722009-07-12T10:41:44.802-07:002009-07-12T10:41:44.802-07:00Theofilia:
I realize it's difficult, but woul...Theofilia:<br /><br />I realize it's difficult, but would you mind confining your ravings to your head, or at least your blog? No one here is interested.Cousin Dupreenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-82705863347908041962009-07-12T09:00:26.500-07:002009-07-12T09:00:26.500-07:00Sorry LT -- trolls are not permitted to go off top...Sorry LT -- trolls are not permitted to go off topic.Cousin Dupreenoreply@blogger.com