tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post2448358688087419795..comments2024-03-28T12:10:26.197-07:00Comments on One Cʘsmos: Substance-in-Relation & Some Dunce Ruining the NationGagdad Bobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-917599507722491552013-03-04T08:22:50.692-08:002013-03-04T08:22:50.692-08:00After "Guide for the Perplexed", you mig...After "Guide for the Perplexed", you might try Schall's "The Order of Things". It's "Guide" expanded and deeper.<br /><br />Too parochial maybe, but if you need something on why people are not things- Carryl Houselander's "Way of the Cross".Salhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13201226644704622876noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-66509117292697316572013-03-03T12:39:08.832-08:002013-03-03T12:39:08.832-08:00Off topic, but apropos Magister's discussion o...Off topic, but apropos Magister's discussion of wines last weekend, at Ace's there's a reasonable argument that is incidentally <a href="http://ace.mu.nu/archives/337946.php" rel="nofollow">in favor of modern wine-making techniques</a>:<br /><br />"Most of those “single vineyard” designations on the high-priced bottles at the wine store are ways to isolate interesting (to the wine-maker and his accountant) flavor profiles that may or may not appeal to the vast majority of consumers. And it gets worse. Many of those flavors are an artifact of wine-making techniques from the Middle Ages, primarily from France, the land of the under-ripe grape. Don't believe me? There is an accepted aroma profile called 'cat pee.'"<br /><br />If that's natural wine, I'll take the processed stuff, thanks...juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-53123535942897526552013-03-03T10:42:19.768-08:002013-03-03T10:42:19.768-08:00Re. the difference between boys and girls, I'm...Re. the difference between boys and girls, I'm with Leslie. L is <i>such</i> a boy, and I can't imagine trying to repress that or change him into some sort of softer, feminized creature. His new thing this week has been naming his toys (trains and trucks) the "mommy" and "daddy"; then he drives them around and crashes them into things. <br /><br />His sister, on the other hand, is already very different - more focused on faces and being social, much more vocal, etc. Partly of course it's just essentially different personalities, but there is also clearly a male-female difference as well.juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-30527784294272100002013-03-03T10:33:30.613-08:002013-03-03T10:33:30.613-08:00Bob @ 7:38 - yes, he puts that so well; it's a...Bob @ 7:38 - yes, he puts that so well; it's a point that seems to be completely overlooked in all the arguments.juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-66312875333783428202013-03-03T08:26:49.215-08:002013-03-03T08:26:49.215-08:00Roger Kimball interview on youboobtube.<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=pjdRkIANHPA#!" rel="nofollow">Roger Kimball</a> interview on youboobtube.Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-10442196878108109712013-03-03T07:53:21.898-08:002013-03-03T07:53:21.898-08:00I love the idea that to "become as God" ...I love the idea that to "become as God" is to become male-and-female (which is really nothing) instead of male OR female....Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-39602205543216051102013-03-03T07:50:36.344-08:002013-03-03T07:50:36.344-08:00Julie -- maybe you'll relate to this, but one ...Julie -- maybe you'll relate to this, but one of the joys of parenting for Leslie is the ongoing joy of discovering just how different boys are from girls. We meet so many parents who don't truly appreciate boys, and more generally, as we know, the culture has become appallingly anti-boy. But the devaluation of sexual differences is a necessary consequence of leftist ideology. It's a real attack on Man as such, and demonic to the core.Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-55291468142406169382013-03-03T07:44:20.316-08:002013-03-03T07:44:20.316-08:00Then he beautifully links it all to our Primordial...Then he beautifully links it all to our Primordial Calamity :<br /><br />"As a counterpoint, the third chapter of Genesis presents sin as the refusal of limitation and therefore of difference: “For G-d knows that when you eat of it, your eyes will be opened, and you will be as gods, knowing good and evil.” “The tree of knowledge of good and evil”—“the tree of knowing good and knowing evil”—symbolizes precisely the two ways of apprehending the limit. First, “good knowing” respects otherness and accepts the fact of not knowing all and consents to not being all. This way of knowing opens toward love and therefore toward “the tree of life” planted by G-d in the middle of the garden. Second, “evil knowing” refuses limits and difference. It eats the other in the hope of reconstituting the whole within the self and of acquiring omniscience. This refusal of the relation of otherness leads to greed and envy, to violence, and ultimately to death.<br /><br />"Isn’t this what is implied in the notion of gender: the refusal of otherness, of difference, and the demand to take on sexual behaviors independent of sexual difference, the first gift of nature? Is this not, in other words, the pretension to “know” the woman as the man, to become the whole of humanity, to emancipate oneself from all natural conditions, and therefore “to become as gods”?"Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-10365856449913828762013-03-03T07:42:38.446-08:002013-03-03T07:42:38.446-08:00"The second account of creation deepens this ..."The second account of creation deepens this teaching by presenting the act of creation of the woman in the form of a surgical operation by which G-d extracts the one who will become Adam’s companion from what is most intimate to him. Henceforth, neither man nor woman will make up the whole of humanity, and neither one will know all that is human. This expresses a double finitude: I am not everything; I am not even all that is human; and I do not know all that is human: The other sex always remains partly unknowable to me. This double finitude implies that self-sufficiency is impossible for a human being. This limitation is not a privation but a gift that allows for the discovery of the love that springs from wonder in the face of difference.<br /><br />"Through desire man discovers sexual difference at the heart of nature. “This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh.” Openness to this other leads to self-discovery as complementary difference: “She shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.” “Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.” In Hebrew, “one flesh” refers to “the One,” Ehad—the divine name par excellence, according to the Shema: “Hear, O Israel: the Lord is G-d, the Lord is one.” It is in this union, which is at once carnal and spiritual, a union made possible by difference and by complementary sexual orientation, that man and woman reproduce, in the created order, the image of the One G-d."Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-25630718377258973172013-03-03T07:40:42.976-08:002013-03-03T07:40:42.976-08:00From the article:
"Because of his sexual ide...From the article:<br /><br />"Because of his sexual identity, each person is referred beyond himself. From the moment a person becomes conscious of his sexual identity, he is thus confronted with a kind of transcendence. The person is required to think beyond himself and to acknowledge the independent existence of an inaccessible other—that is, of one who is essentially related to himself and desirable yet never wholly comprehensible.<br /><br />The experience of sexual difference thus becomes the model for all experiences of transcendence; it designates an indissoluble relation with an absolutely inaccessible reality. On this basis we can understand why the Bible so readily uses the relation between man and woman as a metaphor for the relation between G-d and man: not because G-d is masculine and man is feminine but because it is man’s sexual duality that most clearly manifests an unsurpassable otherness within the closest relation.<br /><br />"It is significant that, in the Bible, sexual difference is mentioned just after the affirmation of the fact that man is in the image of G-d. This means that sexual difference is embedded in this image and thus blessed by G-d. Sexual difference must therefore be understood as a fact of nature infused with spiritual intentions."Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-73229083513415501892013-03-03T07:38:28.097-08:002013-03-03T07:38:28.097-08:00Here is the Rabbi's article. Excellent point:...<a href="http://www.firstthings.com/article/2013/02/homosexual-marriage-parenting-and-adoption" rel="nofollow">Here</a> is the Rabbi's article. Excellent point: no one has a "right" to a child. Rather a child has a right to a mother and father.<br /><br />Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-78864589276153402962013-03-03T07:35:26.514-08:002013-03-03T07:35:26.514-08:00Good article. I love this summation:
"A rabb...Good article. I love this summation:<br /><br />"A rabbi, writing in Paris, defends Judaism’s traditional notion of marriage. This essay is read and cited in Latin by a Catholic leader and thinker in Rome, who from the very beginning of his papacy exhibited a deep interest in Jewish thinking about love and marriage. The pope’s endorsement thereby leads to the translation of the essay by a Mormon philosopher living in Utah. The essay is then exposed to diverse communities of faith in the English-speaking world."<br /><br />I can't help thinking that's how a universal church comes about - <i>not through a merger that effaces differences but through a harmony that... harmonizes them.</i><br /><br />Appropriately, the publishing date on that article is tomorrow, March 4th...juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-20327589192969084262013-03-03T07:11:05.963-08:002013-03-03T07:11:05.963-08:00Related to this post: Benedict and the Rabbi.Related to this post: <a href="http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/benedict-and-rabbi_703139.html?nopager=1" rel="nofollow">Benedict and the Rabbi</a>.Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-29368764147339335292013-03-03T06:47:04.706-08:002013-03-03T06:47:04.706-08:00GB and Van-
Those are great suggestions. Thank yo...GB and Van-<br /><br />Those are great suggestions. Thank you. I will add them to the list.<br /><br />I just started E.F. Schumacher's "A Guide for the Perplexed" which is off of one of Schall's reading lists.<br />So far, looks like a keeper.Jackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06708393262849661076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-72329279353841412232013-03-02T13:00:34.383-08:002013-03-02T13:00:34.383-08:00Wo, they used to all be free... I printed them all...Wo, they used to all be free... I printed them all out into a binder years ago, I wonder if I've still got the .pdf's....Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-68774973958758302332013-03-02T12:31:43.088-08:002013-03-02T12:31:43.088-08:00Jack, try this ,
"A Student's Guide to
...Jack, <a href="www.collegeguide.org/itemdetail.aspx?item=45AE993F-51B2-446C-AE72-B72EE67C475D" rel="nofollow"> try this </a>,<br /><br />"A Student's Guide to<br />Liberal Learning<br />by James V. Schall, S.J."<br /><br />The whole series is pretty good. Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-48139752537858910882013-03-02T12:03:58.035-08:002013-03-02T12:03:58.035-08:00I haven't read Prager's Still the Best Hop...I haven't read Prager's <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Still-Best-Hope-American-Triumph/dp/0061985120/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1362254540&sr=1-1&keywords=dennis+prager" rel="nofollow">Still the Best Hope</a>, but I'll bet it would help. After all, he's the one who finally nailed me. Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-54179374464727496972013-03-02T11:42:06.726-08:002013-03-02T11:42:06.726-08:005. Twenge/Campbell: The Narcissism Epidemic.5. Twenge/Campbell: The Narcissism Epidemic.Jackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06708393262849661076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-43202171816028479112013-03-02T11:29:07.907-08:002013-03-02T11:29:07.907-08:00GB-
Schall being the kind of professor I would ha...GB-<br /><br />Schall being the kind of professor I would have loved to take a course from back in my college days.<br /><br />In his spirit I've been attempting to put together a short reading list for a lefty friend. Something like a top ten list of books by which to return to Reality.<br /><br />So far:<br /><br />1. Plato: Euthyphro; The Apology; Crito; Pheado.<br /><br />2. Sowell: Basic Economics<br /><br />3. Dostoevsky: The Brothers Karamazov<br /><br />4. McInerny: Being Logical<br /><br />That's all I've got so far. Would love to hear suggestions.Jackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06708393262849661076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-41490216937995071212013-03-02T08:32:15.422-08:002013-03-02T08:32:15.422-08:00Jack:
What a great interview with Schall. A Racc...Jack:<br /><br />What a great interview with Schall. A Raccoon Priest, right down to the sanctity of slack and the necessity of Wodehouse.Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-28074141907151778422013-03-02T08:07:01.195-08:002013-03-02T08:07:01.195-08:00Newt's analysis of our predicament strikes me ...Newt's <a href="http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2013/03/newt-gingrich-what-is-to-be-done.php" rel="nofollow">analysis</a> of our predicament strikes me as accurate but deeply depressing, because it implies that in order to compete with liberals we must think and behave like liberals. Shudder. Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-22625314810725965642013-03-02T05:49:27.588-08:002013-03-02T05:49:27.588-08:00An interview with Schall.An <a href="http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/342029/helping-us-turn-around-interview" rel="nofollow">interview</a> with Schall.<br /><br /><br /><br />Jackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06708393262849661076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-90759788555165009112013-03-01T20:03:39.361-08:002013-03-01T20:03:39.361-08:00In laws don't count... I mean, some folks you ...In laws don't count... I mean, some folks you have genuine differences with (but you eventually figure out how to get along with, maybe.) <br /><br />Look at the divorce rate and tell me who's 'getting along' and 'spreading the love'. In this analogy, it's not us (alas.) Its... the Victorians?Ephrem Antony Grayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00032465992619034619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-83885515891221296812013-03-01T15:12:45.802-08:002013-03-01T15:12:45.802-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-58034719511906036232013-03-01T13:07:33.795-08:002013-03-01T13:07:33.795-08:00Another relevant aphorism from DC: "Love is ...Another relevant aphorism from DC: "Love is the act that transforms its object from a thing into a person."Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.com