tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post1978542278308381053..comments2024-03-27T11:16:36.951-07:00Comments on One Cʘsmos: If Darwinism Were True, All Writers Would Be Food CriticsGagdad Bobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comBlogger36125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-84451294059374487342010-04-10T03:45:41.771-07:002010-04-10T03:45:41.771-07:00BH,
You've been created in the image of God, ...BH,<br /><br />You've been created in the image of God, but not as God. Still: you, also, have the power to create and choose. <br />In order for those gifts to weigh anything in the heft of your own soul, you have to use them: ie, <i>create</i> and learn from the creating, and also <i>choose</i>, and learn from the choices. Thus we gain wisdom. Somewhere along the wisdom trail comes a respect for truth, then a love for where that truth comes from. It isn't math, it's art. You'll get there. As Cat Stevens says, "You're on the road to find out." Good on ya, mate.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06396943458032441026noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-2556682558972258182010-04-10T02:07:46.655-07:002010-04-10T02:07:46.655-07:00Only if you want him to be.Only if you want him to be.Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10589423819039764711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-8592200739082831832010-04-09T22:36:03.657-07:002010-04-09T22:36:03.657-07:00Point to ponder: If I, made in the image of God, ...Point to ponder: If I, made in the image of God, post something utterly stupid, does that make God the author of stupidity?<br /><br />wv: anonalpSusannahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16381272662339466736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-8907158388628984322010-04-09T06:12:36.812-07:002010-04-09T06:12:36.812-07:00But why would someone "fall in love" wit...But why would someone "fall in love" with religious lies and liars? Good question. It could just be because it is convenient to do so, or congenial with what one already wishes to believe. Thus, a person who has already committed himself to neo-Marxism finds his soul's rest in the tawdry "liberation theology" of a Jeremiah Wright, which is not theology and certainly not liberating."<br /><br />Indeed it's not. Which is why Fair0 is tryin' to smear, marginalize and destroy any and all who love truth n' liberty.<br /><br />Because anyone who does love truth n' liberty are at odds with Fair0 and Fair0knows that it's very difficult to keep his minions and groupies enslaved and hoodwinked as long as we have a voice.<br /><br />In short, we represent reality, which explains the intense hatred he and his followers have for truth and for those who seek out and cherish the truth.<br /><br />Based on Fairy0's performance thus far, I would say it's obvious that he took what the not so rev. Wight screeched as the gospel truth...at least the intent if not the specifics.<br /><br />Fair0 is not post-racist, but he is racist and he burns hot with envy, which feeds his unquenchable thirst to steal from anyone he deems as wealthy, other than himself and his friends that is.<br /><br />For it's not wealth itself Fairy0 despises but the fact he can't (yet) control who has wealth.<br /><br />Therefore, I believe Fairy0 and his hive doesn't even have good intentions...at least not for anyone who seeks Truth.USS Ben USN (Ret)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07492369604790651538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-9086145008643410942010-04-09T05:27:52.133-07:002010-04-09T05:27:52.133-07:00I haven’t been able to follow the comments very cl...I haven’t been able to follow the comments very closely, so please forgive me if I’m way off.<br /><br />Perhaps some of BH’s difficulties are related to a saturation of some terms, such as, evil, hell, Satan, etc. These are of course related to concepts of God, good, heaven, love, etc., also very susceptible to saturation.<br /><br />If we are having problems with minor degrees of what is a sin or what is an evil, and who is responsible or not, it may help (it helps me) to think them through to their extremes. For example, does evil exist? Is it possible to do an evil act? If you answer yes, then where does the evil exist? In a dog? It must exist in man as he is the only one, or at least one, who is capable of knowing it. Are there degrees of evil acts? Could you call these sins? And who is a sin against? The alternative is: there is no sin, there is no evil. I don't think it is necessary to get into why evil exists or why it was made or not. It's not helpful at this stage. It is enough to know whether it "is" or "isn't".<br /><br />Maybe Bob will post today or another on Fr. Schall’s excellent chapter, “Hell”. It may shed some light on one other “thing” which is also veiled. This thing you could say is always being veiled. Even here and now. Deny it and you place a little veil over it which pleases one and not the Other.Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10589423819039764711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-21586798888069734092010-04-09T03:12:31.520-07:002010-04-09T03:12:31.520-07:00To maurice re:
"I was with Oma (granny) Emmi...To maurice re:<br /><br />"I was with Oma (granny) Emmi in Heaven. She told me to go back really quickly.'"<br /><br />Maybe Lady Necessity is Oma Emmi? Have been thinking this morning how I would paint the Myth of Er. Funny that you posted this. Always good to hear of a miracle, especially when the traveler can tell of his experience. Thanks.<br /><br />BTW WV = chargedTigtoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03290914498892961024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-82219595017633548502010-04-09T00:05:30.097-07:002010-04-09T00:05:30.097-07:00http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20100408/twl-clinically...http://uk.news.yahoo.com/5/20100408/twl-clinically-dead-boy-saw-granny-in-he-3fd0ae9.html<br /><br />I read this in the morning and it picked me up better than any coffee.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05332651334532453671noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-81759499458186015702010-04-08T22:25:39.832-07:002010-04-08T22:25:39.832-07:00bh said "Why make sin possible at all?"
...bh said "Why make sin possible at all?"<br /><br />God didn't make sin possible, you do. God made it possible for you to choose correctly and incorrectly. You, not by choosing incorrectly, but by choosing what is wrong, and choosing it while knowing it to be wrong and persisting in it anyway, and even attempting to cover for it by asserting it is ok or even 'true'; through that action <i>you</i> make evil possible. <i>You</i> bring Evil into being, by deliberately misintegrating truths, by connecting one known falsehood to another and presenting it as 'true'... in that way it is you who bring evil into being.<br /><br />"Sorry if that offends any of you, but don't you think we should seek for the truth with no fuzzy veil thrown over it? I mean come on. That's not cool."<br /><br />Oh... wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. <i>'I don't like that 2+2=4, I want to get from 2 to 4 without having to add another two... I wan't it! This ain't cool! Wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!'</i><br /><br />Whatever truths you've claimed to accept, by asserting that what is true is not <i>true enough for you</i>, you side with cynicism and skepticism, and whatever truths you flatter yourself to build up and hold, you do so while undermining their foundation. Persist in that and you will end only in a deepening skepticism, and those truths will crumble like sandcastles dried out by the sun, knowthing but disintegrated granules slipping through your fingers like dust.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-52623819745642561742010-04-08T22:25:11.958-07:002010-04-08T22:25:11.958-07:00Julie said "Guess I'd better put that ass...Julie said "Guess I'd better put that ass hat back in the depths of the closet where I should have left it..."<br /> <br />Good try Julie, but it's too easy for me to reach that top back shelf to resist grabbing it, I don't even need to get on my tippy toes - sorry. You actually already fully answered most of the points I was going to hit... but there's a couple I can't leave alone.<br /><br />bh said "I'm not condoning leftism, but the branding of the leftist as choosing his own plight freely is not exactly true and should not be espoused as truth."<br /><br />B.S. Choosing incorrectly is an error. To persist in an error, makes one mistaken. To persist in an error, and make further choices and deeper errors based upon that, makes one exceedingly mistaken, but it doesn't make one evil, it makes you a fool sure, but not evil. Doctors who persisted in bleeding their patients and making concoctions of mercury and putrifying lizard flesh were deeply mistaken and ignorant, and no matter their very good intentions, their errors prevented them from advancing medicine any further - but their errors were based upon honest incorrect conclusions, they were not evil.<br /><br />However <i>intentionally</i> choosing to do what is <i>wrong</i> (meaning that to some extent you know what is right, but don't <i>want it</i> to be, and willfully evade it), is the first whiff of evil. Deliberately pursuing a course you know to be not only incorrect but wrong, is evil . There is nothing of God in such a thing, it is of your own doing, and your deliberate negligence is no excuse. Every civilized person knows that it is wrong to take what is not yours, and every civilized person knows it is wrong to condone and encourage someone else to take what is not theirs. Leftists do it, themselves or through the power of govt, because they <i>want</i> it to be ok. They like feeling swell about 'spreading the wealth around' <i>for the children</i>. <br /><br />Why do they add that '<i>for the children</i>' (or some equivalent)? Because they know it would be wrong to do it for themselves, but they feel they can excuse it, and get away with it, by adding something like <i>for the children</i>. They are wrong. Choosing to be satisfied with what they think 'should have been true', and would have been true if they'd designed the universe... if only <i>they</i> were asked how reality should have been designed...! That is choosing to be not just mistaken, but morally wrong - and that is not changed by whether or not you've tried to turn a blind eye to its true meaning.<br /><br />I'm sure there are degrees of such evil, and degrees of capability, but it's evil all the same.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-46136546803655421212010-04-08T21:32:57.308-07:002010-04-08T21:32:57.308-07:00Ilion said "Van: "Truth would be literal...Ilion said "Van: "Truth would be literally meaningless without the possibility of error."<br />Perhaps that's not literally what you meant?"<br /><br />Or perhaps it is literally what I meant. For Human Beings, truth and meaning would not be possible, without the possibility of error - there would not only not be meaning, there would be no knowing it. Consciousness could not be, would not be, without the need for being conscious of something, and it would be unnecessary to be conscious of anything if differentiating between correct and incorrect identifications were not vital - if you were automatically correct without possibility of error, there would be no possibility of your being.<br /><br />For a Human Being, Truth would be literally meaningless without the possibility of error... there would be no consciousness, no awareness of truth and no possibility of meaning whatsoever.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-7554188541005639792010-04-08T20:51:58.279-07:002010-04-08T20:51:58.279-07:00Van: "Truth would be literally meaningless wi...<b>Van:</b> "<i>Truth would be literally meaningless without the possibility of error.</i>"<br /><br />Perhaps that's not literally what you meant?Ilíonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15339406092961816142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1376555777908672792010-04-08T20:40:50.416-07:002010-04-08T20:40:50.416-07:00black hole said "Julie: You have misinterpret...black hole said "Julie: You have misinterpreted."<br /><br />I doubt it. I note your 'opinion' yesterday and request that 'Raccoons weigh in. Agree or disagree', another posture posed and abandoned.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-66988353684345039862010-04-08T20:35:33.504-07:002010-04-08T20:35:33.504-07:00black hole said "...it doesn't help matte...black hole said "...it doesn't help matters that said Truth is so veiled, subtle, and easy to miss here. <br />God is partially or mostly culpable for human error, e.g. leftism as you bemoan it."<br /><br />Truth would be literally meaningless without the possibility of error. You could not even have the possibility of <i>choosing</i> without the possibility of choosing wrong, as well as right... without that there'd be no meaning, no significance, no <i>consciousness</i>, nothing more than one domino tipping over another.<br /><br />To blame God for that, would be no different than blaming God for your being alive.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-74616540024810787152010-04-08T20:17:20.390-07:002010-04-08T20:17:20.390-07:00"...being on the left means never having to s..."...being on the left means never having to say you were wrong..."<br /><br />Which makes sense of course, having never been concerned with being true to begin with.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-35413569168833195552010-04-08T19:20:20.820-07:002010-04-08T19:20:20.820-07:00There is a tremendous power in the traditional Afr...There is a tremendous power in the traditional African-American church, and its music. I think there was a time, in the early 20th century, when we had a great chance to come together and find the even greater power in the unity of black and white, oppressed and oppressor. Perhaps when Obama is gone and the damage begins to heal, we will have another opportunity.mushroomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07651027035577798096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-64221626045249529892010-04-08T18:18:22.546-07:002010-04-08T18:18:22.546-07:00Julie, funny, I was just thinking about that parti...Julie, funny, I was just thinking about that particular headgear the other night...I guess I took my turn wearing it too. LOL!Susannahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16381272662339466736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-57672284531737984602010-04-08T18:01:44.143-07:002010-04-08T18:01:44.143-07:00To black hole re:
"Why make sin possible at ...To black hole re:<br /><br />"Why make sin possible at all?"<br /><br />If there were no sins, then there would be no choice, thus God would not have created you in his image. The world of no choice existed before consciousness; before the fall as they say. This is pretty simple, I don't get your circular logic. The only thing you have no choice in, is having no choice.Tigtoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03290914498892961024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-83566791915754152662010-04-08T17:18:26.589-07:002010-04-08T17:18:26.589-07:00The general fogginess of the whole spiritual milie...<i>The general fogginess of the whole spiritual milieu here is a giant pain and I for one would like it clarified.<br /><br />If it cannot be I would like an explanation of why not.<br /></i><br /><br />*Snorfle*<br /><br />So, will you be using the roll on the ground yelling and screaming until you get what you want method, or do you prefer to hold your breath until your face turns blue?<br /><br />***<br /><br />Susannah, you misunderstand the role we're supposed to play in BH's drama. <br /><br />God's on trial here, but since BH is apparently blind to the message (which is only everywhere, if you're paying attention), we are defendants by proxy. Apparently, even though god can speak for himself, the confrontation is with us. Suggesting that in fact god can't speak for himself. Or that BH is afraid to actually ask him and stick around for the answer.<br /><br />No evidence we submit is sufficient proof: scripture has already been denounced as suspect at best, and given that much esoteric wisdom from which we draw is based and grounded in scripture, that is out as well. Any evidence we submit which doesn't fit BH's world view is inadmissible. Reality is right out.<br /><br />The verdict has been rendered in advance: God is culpable, god is unjust, god doesn't drop trou and show everything to BH all at once, nor provide a high-speed elevator to the promised land. <br /><br />The sentence for this heinous crime of existence is anybody's guess, though apparently at least in part it's that we must once again suffer (on god's behalf?) through hours of childish arguments.<br /><br />I was hoping, earlier, that by focusing on the circular behavior instead of engaging the fruitless arguments perhaps some headway could be made. I can't help it; part of me always hopes that something will eventually sink in. More fool me. <br /><br /><i>Mea culpa</i>, everyone, for just exacerbating the situation. Guess I'd better put that ass hat back in the depths of the closet where I should have left it...juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-37621572693783952032010-04-08T16:36:03.980-07:002010-04-08T16:36:03.980-07:00@ black hole.
How are we supposed to "confro...@ black hole.<br /><br />How are we supposed to "confront God" on your behalf?Susannahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16381272662339466736noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-30712181188587203792010-04-08T16:32:18.348-07:002010-04-08T16:32:18.348-07:00G'Bob: "... The creation, being that it i...<b>G'Bob:</b> "<i>... The creation, being that it is not God, will necessarily have the possibility of error and evil. It cannot be otherwise and still be separate from the source ...</i>"<br /><br />Not just the <i>possibility</i>, but the actuality. And, as you say, it cannot be otherwise, since the creation is not The Creator.Ilíonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15339406092961816142noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-27365749490416155872010-04-08T16:31:57.753-07:002010-04-08T16:31:57.753-07:00Susannah and Tigtog:
Points well taken. Scripture...Susannah and Tigtog:<br /><br />Points well taken. Scripture seems to be a fairly good instruction manual for choice-making, with the caveat supplied by Tigtog that some kind of guilt-trip has been overlaid on the creation story that doesn't need to be in there. Removing that piece of errata would be a triumph for starters.<br /><br />Moving on to a mock-hearing: <br /><br />My questions to God would therefore be:<br /><br />Why make sin possible at all? Of all choices on how to construct a cosmos, why go the route of free-will and choice with good and bad choices possible?<br /><br />What is the motive for this schemata?<br /><br />Aren't you messing with us? Some of us will come to grief. How is that justified?<br /><br />Jesus tell us to "forgive them, for they know not what they do."<br /><br />These words seems to reinforce the general state of ignorance down here and the apparent ineffectiveness of guidance thus far given given to mitigate the situation. Would you agree?<br /><br />Do you plan any more interventions designed to clarify/instruct people? If so, when and in what form shall these take?<br /><br />Addendum: <br /><br />I don't think God needs to be coddled. He can speak for Himself and there is no need to avoid or mitigate direct confrontation with Him.<br /><br />The general fogginess of the whole spiritual milieu here is a giant pain and I for one would like it clarified.<br /><br />If it cannot be I would like an explanation of why not.<br /><br />Sorry if that offends any of you, but don't you think we should seek for the truth with no fuzzy veil thrown over it? I mean come on. That's not cool.black holehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07366633817665791528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-42823065309830817442010-04-08T16:11:41.439-07:002010-04-08T16:11:41.439-07:00Some things are never off-topic. Mocking Deepak i...Some things are never off-topic. Mocking Deepak is one of them.Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-8806757057707572672010-04-08T15:38:03.938-07:002010-04-08T15:38:03.938-07:00off topic...
Greg Gutfeld on Redeye mocks Deepakoff topic...<br /><br /><a href="http://video.foxnews.com/v/4141599/gregs-greg-alogue-48" rel="nofollow">Greg Gutfeld on Redeye mocks Deepak</a>Jackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06708393262849661076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-20125014276256269662010-04-08T15:14:09.105-07:002010-04-08T15:14:09.105-07:00To black hole re:
"However: I stenuously dis...To black hole re:<br /><br />"However: I stenuously disagree with the premise, set forth implicitly by Bob, and reinforced by scripture, that people contain some kind of intrinsic fallen or evil element."<br /><br />I agree, the Eden story was adapted by the Jews and changed to incorporate guilt for a fallen state. The original story simply represents man's discovery of his "God given ability to choose" and control his environment (be Godlike). This I find convincing since the entire Bible is nothing more than instruction on how to choose "rightly and well". We were created in the image of God, so by definition we were designed to be creative and exercise choice.<br /><br />"Free will has some play, but not a decisive role, in evil and evildoers, and cannot be writ larger than it is."<br /><br />Disagree, God designed us to exercise choice, therefore he provided a world of both good and bad choices for us (temptations). He also provided simple instructions (10 Commandments) on how to avoid the bad choices. With respect to your defense of the left by intimating Gods hand, I would point out that leftism is nothing more than the total immersion into "envy". These folks have chosen their path and it creates nothing but sorrow and hate for them as well as all those around them. This is why envy has always been described as the most destructive of the vices, because it hates all virture and destroys its followers and their neighbors and friends. Its infectious.Tigtoghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03290914498892961024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-41144806687155042242010-04-08T15:02:03.203-07:002010-04-08T15:02:03.203-07:00I stenuously disagree with the premise, set forth ...<i>I stenuously disagree with the premise, set forth implicitly by Bob, and reinforced by scripture, that people contain some kind of intrinsic fallen or evil element.</i><br /><br />Fact: Bob is not God. <br /><br />Fact: The truth came first. Scripture simply made it more comprehensible. This scripture has been around for thousands of years, closely scrutinized by millions of great minds, and has had such staying power because it is true. <br /><br />Thousands of years later, Bob simply expounds upon that truth, as revealed not only in scripture but in the wisdom of millenia of saints and sages.<br /><br />Demanding explanations of Bob (or anyone else here) for God's behavior and culpability is both childish and silly. As previously noted, Bob is not God. <br /><br />If you have not seen any evidence of the fallenness of man, then no argument anyone makes here will convince you.<br /><br /><i>It is an inhumane and incorrect doctrine to paint with the black brush beings who do not understand what they are doing...</i><br /><br />No kidding? So maybe that's what Jesus was talking about when he said, "Father, forgive them, for know not what they do."<br /><br />If you're serious about your position, I submit a very fine read <a href="http://www.americandigest.org/mt-archives/grace_notes/an_ash_wednesda.php" rel="nofollow">here</a>. It will not change your mind about god's culpability. However, it might reassure you that you're not the first to have thought of it. Also, that perhaps, just maybe, there's a tremendous amount about god and about the nature of the world that you are not yet ready to understand.<br /><br />There's nothing wrong with not understanding. There's nothing abnormal about being angry at god for the state of the world. Eventually, though, you have to grow past that.<br /><br />Demanding that we provide proofs, ad nauseum, which you will reject, of what is (or should be) self-evident will not make that growth happen.juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.com