tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post1181349461542833920..comments2024-03-28T20:04:20.286-07:00Comments on One Cʘsmos: When You Go to Hell, Be Sure and Bring a Loved OneGagdad Bobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-56209521639581841512011-01-27T07:39:16.405-08:002011-01-27T07:39:16.405-08:00ge - oh, that's disappointing. I guess with so...ge - oh, that's disappointing. I guess with so many translations, they probably all have their drawbacks...juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-27315128764648419582011-01-27T04:58:17.800-08:002011-01-27T04:58:17.800-08:00From Canto XXVIII:
Behind us, warden of our mangl...From Canto XXVIII:<br /><br /><i>Behind us, warden of our mangled horde,<br />the devil who butchers us and sends us marching<br />waits to renew our wounds <a href="http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/01/moments-before-he-beheaded-his-wife-moderate-muslim-leader-texted-her-i-have-not-done-anything-to-hu.html" rel="nofollow">with his long sword</a></i>Mizz Ehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02325435271880036807noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-88913731874408592142011-01-27T03:32:44.723-08:002011-01-27T03:32:44.723-08:00funny ~I hadnt seen Ciardi's name in decades
H...funny ~I hadnt seen Ciardi's name in decades<br />He was the only college prof ever mentioned in our youth by my Mom who took his class at a kansas city college<br />He was a jealous kerouac-basher which makes him a natch enemy to megehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02015936407999495181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-50446008482895138462011-01-26T21:32:57.475-08:002011-01-26T21:32:57.475-08:00Yeah, I'm not overly fond of online reading. I...Yeah, I'm not overly fond of online reading. It's useful at the moment, though - so far, the baby hasn't been able to put his mouth on the computer...juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-467552605941777302011-01-26T19:35:33.721-08:002011-01-26T19:35:33.721-08:00I bought the hard copy of "Dante Worlds"...I bought the hard copy of "Dante Worlds" a few months back but haven't yet delved into it while actually reading the text. From what's on the website and just looking through the book and have the feeling it is going to be of great help on my next go round. Which I hope will be soon (I am making my way through Sowell's "Basic Economics: 4th Edition" and am determined to read the whole thing. Also a gamechanging experience in its own way!!). <br /><br />But in the meantime I've been going through Upton's book first thing in the morning, a few chapters at a time. Every little bit helps!<br /><br />The Ciardi version is in trade paperback and so isn't very expensive relatively speaking, i.e. if online reading becomes too annoying! (I am old fashioned that way).Jackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06708393262849661076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-41305921993288405832011-01-26T19:28:44.223-08:002011-01-26T19:28:44.223-08:00Agreed re. Birk's text - the snippets I saw, b...Agreed re. Birk's text - the snippets I saw, basically just description plates for the illustrations, seemed to try a little too hard to be hip. But you could get lost in those visuals for hours.juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-64453844743345072752011-01-26T19:26:37.623-08:002011-01-26T19:26:37.623-08:00I have Sandow Birks "version" of The Div...I have Sandow Birks "version" of The Divine Comedy. As I mentioned he text is kind of silly...but the illustrations have a strange appeal to me. They even did a movie based on their version of the Inferno.<br /><br />I would have like to see these illustrations up close and personal. I am in no way claiming any real discernment in art...but I know what I like! :)Jackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06708393262849661076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-45168879782978093572011-01-26T19:25:30.898-08:002011-01-26T19:25:30.898-08:00I think it makes a big difference. With the Longfe...I think it makes a big difference. With the Longfellow, I bought it a few months ago and at the time found it such a slog I didn't get past the first couple of Cantos. With the occasional bit of online assistance from <a href="http://danteworlds.laits.utexas.edu/index.html" rel="nofollow">this site</a>, I'm having no real trouble with it now. Plus it helps that I'm more interested in sticking it out :)<br /><br />I might go back and read the Ciardi, though; I like the cut of that one's jib...juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-14483993352473160132011-01-26T19:20:16.387-08:002011-01-26T19:20:16.387-08:00To be honest I find translations that attempt to m...To be honest I find translations that attempt to maintain some semblance of the terza rima scheme to be ultimately a distraction and hard for me to read. I get lost in the sentence. I've had to bail on a number of translations for that reason. I have made it through the <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Inferno-Dante/dp/0385496982/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1296098270&sr=8-1" rel="nofollow">Hollander translation</a> a few times and have enjoyed it more than others.<br /><br />For what that's worth.Jackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06708393262849661076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-22024156651348206162011-01-26T19:14:21.901-08:002011-01-26T19:14:21.901-08:00Re. the San Francisco Hell illustrations, I saw th...Re. the San Francisco Hell illustrations, I saw them in person several years ago, or at least several of them. They were showing at the local arts center where I was taking some painting classes. Big pieces, very detailed, and I thought they were pretty interesting. I didn't really have the background at the time to properly appreciate them, though, unfortunately.juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-62833827501576607572011-01-26T19:07:22.794-08:002011-01-26T19:07:22.794-08:00I'm reading the Barnes & Noble version, be...I'm reading the Barnes & Noble version, because it was pretty, leatherbound and relatively inexpensive. Didn't even think of the translation when I bought it, perhaps unfortunately; this one is Longfellow's. <a href="http://americandigest.org/sidelines/2011/01/#a013684" rel="nofollow">Vanderleun</a> today linked to a link re. <a href="http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/018507.html" rel="nofollow">Mo in the 8th Circle</a>, which has text from Ciardi's translation (though the Canto is mislabeled there - it's 28, not 23 as he has written). It appears to be a little more readable to modern eyes, maybe, than the one I have. The gist is clearly the same, but the wording is quite different. The Ciardi is on Google books, so you can't beat the price :)juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-50945551496119519012011-01-26T18:48:43.432-08:002011-01-26T18:48:43.432-08:00...also, I'd be curious to know, for those who......also, I'd be curious to know, for those who have read or are reading Dante, which translations people are choosing. <br /><br />I have (for now) settled on the Hollander and Hollander as a good balance of clarity and poetry.Jackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06708393262849661076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-71904000888266562262011-01-26T18:44:39.864-08:002011-01-26T18:44:39.864-08:00Has anyone seen these illustrations? Updated from ...Has anyone seen these <a href="http://www.verbsap.com/2005aug/artgallery/birk.html" rel="nofollow">illustrations</a>? Updated from Dore. In fact they did a whole "update" of The Divine Comedy...which was pretty silly overall. But I kind of like these illustrations...<br /><br />I am enjoying this trip down into Dante's Inferno very much.<br /><br />This seems to be the heart of it for me:<br /><br />"People who try to develop spiritually while ignoring the dark side are generally two things: 1) annoying and 2) shallow. And often dangerous, because they only project into others what they deny in themselves."Jackhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06708393262849661076noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-37297926432352139552011-01-26T18:39:45.331-08:002011-01-26T18:39:45.331-08:00A beautiful essay on the Divine Comedy.
You would...A beautiful essay on the Divine Comedy.<br /><br />You would make a splendid graduate student of literature. Ever consider going back for a second degree? You could get it easily and naturually while giving the faculty a bit of an eye opener and a what for. Shake 'em up, as it were. They like it. The stuffed shirts respect someone who writes well but is really different philosophically.<br /><br />Then you could become a professor and lodge a raccoon mind in the godless territory of academia.<br /><br />You may attract students who could use an awakening.<br /><br />Maybe L wouldn't like it though? Less $The Unseen Who Opines On Thingsnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-20717489155476974472011-01-26T12:36:52.044-08:002011-01-26T12:36:52.044-08:00Did Dante attract Virgil, or vice versa?
Dante...<i>Did Dante attract Virgil, or vice versa?</i><br /><br />Dante's response indicates the necessity of plowing the ground in "long faithful study", but it still seems like a miraculous outpouring of grace when it occurs.mushroomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07651027035577798096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-33567863593127372572011-01-26T10:09:07.019-08:002011-01-26T10:09:07.019-08:00Oddly, this song popped into my head this morning ...Oddly, this song popped into my head this morning for no apparent reason. Funny to see it here at the end of this post.<br /><br />Songs pop into my head all the time for no apparent reason. If I think hard enough, I can usually figure out what started it. Today, though. Nada.<br /><br />"This can occur, for example, when celestial beauty radiates through phenomena, in what Schuon called the "metaphysical transparency" of the world."<br /><br />This happens to me most often in the mountains.<br /><br />However, I've seen it in people and all kinds of other places.philmonhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10385793223534322848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-24562174713902818632011-01-26T09:19:53.978-08:002011-01-26T09:19:53.978-08:00Or for any type of artist. You demonstrate the fru...Or for any type of artist. You demonstrate the fruitfulness of that approach daily, Dojo; you may be the only one I know who can reveal the mystical presence illuminating a <a href="http://robinstarfish.blogspot.com/2011/01/bite-down-hard.html" rel="nofollow">belt buckle</a> :)juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-69601050248716026562011-01-26T09:10:20.319-08:002011-01-26T09:10:20.319-08:00...We must first notice the little nonlocal spring...<i>...We must first notice the little nonlocal springs that dot the landscape. <br /><br />This can occur, for example, when celestial beauty radiates through phenomena, in what Schuon called the "metaphysical transparency" of the world... </i><br /><br />I can't think of any finer advice for budding photographers.robinstarfishhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15665546554663005609noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-32912011048597791962011-01-26T09:03:51.305-08:002011-01-26T09:03:51.305-08:00Thanks, Julie!Thanks, Julie!Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10589423819039764711noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-80776209574259106872011-01-26T08:57:51.411-08:002011-01-26T08:57:51.411-08:00In the final analysis, Virgil actually represents ...<i>In the final analysis, Virgil actually represents a projection of Dante's own deeper self. He is attracted to the projection because it is his own unborn self, which can only be accessed via encounter with an external model. </i><br /><br />Notable, too, is the language with which they address each other, not by name but by station: Virgil, the shade whose life work has been Dante's strongest influence, is "My Master," and then in time, "My Father," while Dante, when called anything, is "My Son."<br /><br />***<br /><br />Rick, Barnes & Noble has a <a href="http://search.barnesandnoble.com/The-Divine-Comedy/Dante/e/9781435103849/?itm=3&USRI=divine+comedy" rel="nofollow">nice copy</a> with all the illustrations for under $20. That's the one I'm reading, since my copy of Upton hasn't arrived yet. With a little help from the internets, it's potentially a fast read just by itself, depending on how long you want to chew over any given Canto...juliehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15975754287030568726noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-28418575178270105762011-01-26T08:48:36.559-08:002011-01-26T08:48:36.559-08:00Listen. You're playing our song.
Love the ill...Listen. You're playing our song.<br /><br />Love the illustrations, BTW. Interesting that the moon in today's is shown only in reflection.Rickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10589423819039764711noreply@blogger.com