tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post115634736366582612..comments2024-03-28T20:04:20.286-07:00Comments on One Cʘsmos: Lies and the Lying Liars Who Live ThemGagdad Bobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1156485588507953492006-08-24T22:59:00.000-07:002006-08-24T22:59:00.000-07:00Sri Aurobindo asserted that even the most deluded,...Sri Aurobindo asserted that even the most deluded, demon-ridden person (like your meat-cleaver wielding Islamofascist) contains a certain core element of uncorruptible truth-consciousness, which he called the "Psychic Being." This element, present in all people, unerringly knows the truth, and is in fact composed of of a kind of truth-substance. This, if true, and I think it is, explains why "everyone has a grudging respect for the truth" because at a very deep level, everyone does in fact "know" truth and knows it very intimately by the very certainty of identity.<BR/> Therefore, when contemplating people who live in the thrall of lies, it is comforting to remember that when their "web of lies" is ever loosened, the truth awaits them as an automatic default setting. <BR/> As Aurobindo saw it, everyone is going to return to truth in the end. Those who do Yoga, or are in the process of leaving regular consciousness for the better consciousness of the "psychic being" are simply getting there faster. It is, in the end, a matter of efficiency.<BR/> All slaves, Islamofascists, liberals, psychopaths, etc. make grindingly slow progress towards truth by small increments in each succesive life that they undergo, and eventually they too will be advanced enough to look back on still-deluded souls and cluck in concern. <BR/> I say these things to leaven what looks like a bad situation with the optimistic perspective of the long view. <BR/> Aurobindo held that the victory of light is inevitable. Darkness may make temporary advancements but will not prevail. That's no excuse to slack off on one's own spiritual journey but may keep one from feeling frenzied, angry, vengeful, etc. A stern dissaproval and corresponding stern action are warranted against lies and liars but hate, anger, or any kind of vital emotions are wrong movements in response lies, liars, and evil.black holehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07366633817665791528noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1156428596665129432006-08-24T07:09:00.000-07:002006-08-24T07:09:00.000-07:00"In fact, they have forfeited their freedom and ar..."In fact, they have forfeited their freedom and are attached to a spiritually suffocating demon generated out of their own psychic substance, just like the above referenced spider."... "...wrong to say that the Aztec had a bloodthirsty god--rather, it clearly had them...""...The collective mind parasite has a grammar and logic all its own, inaccessible to all but initiates into the Lie...""...This is the inner meaning of "resist not evil." Resist it in the wrong way, and you come into its orbit..."<BR/><BR/>Oh... there is so much in that, you've got the Mt. Everest of the Vertical depth there!Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1156398429076776812006-08-23T22:47:00.000-07:002006-08-23T22:47:00.000-07:00Ahh! You're synchronistically beating me to the po...Ahh! You're synchronistically beating me to the post topic again! Although I guess if I'd been counting the commandments... ah well.<BR/><BR/>Remember that the big daddy legitimizer of all leftist thought, ol' couldn't Kant proclaimed in the preface to his Critique of Pure Reason: “I have found it necessary to deny knowledge, in order to make room for faith”.<BR/><BR/>Why ANYONE would bother reading a single word more of his in the pursuit of Truth and understanding, I can not for the life of me understand. He not only declared his intent to deny, twist & lie about 'how things are' but in the same breath declared that it was ok to lie, cheat & steal... as long as your motives were good - setting the pattern for what would become the leftist game plan for the next 200 years: The Ends DO justify the means.<BR/><BR/>You'd think that that would have gotten him a big red "L" for liar branded right on his forehead - or at least a really big whopping wedgie. So much for Philosophy meaning “love of wisdom “ or even a respect for Truth.<BR/><BR/>I'm really enjoying this series of Posts!Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1156392466153401622006-08-23T21:07:00.000-07:002006-08-23T21:07:00.000-07:00Maybe "the lies that blind," too.Maybe "the lies that blind," too.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1156391652239193112006-08-23T20:54:00.000-07:002006-08-23T20:54:00.000-07:00Ah yes, The Lies that Bind.Ah yes, The Lies that Bind.Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1156389257183895632006-08-23T20:14:00.000-07:002006-08-23T20:14:00.000-07:00I was struck when I was studying Greek (classical ...I was struck when I was studying Greek (classical and New Testament) by the professor's remark one day that the Greek word for truth (aletheia) is related to Lethe, the river of forgetfulness in classical mythology. Aletheia is that which is un-forgotten or remembered or kept in mind-- which perhaps suggests that lies function by causing people to forget the truth, not just deny it or distort it. Lying seems to induce a kind of permanent amnesia in some of its practitioners.<BR/><BR/>Years ago I came across Scott Peck's second book (<I>People of the Lie</I>), in which he drew connections between narcissistic disorders and habitual lying. That opened my eyes to the true extent of the narcissistic pathology in my extended family and the huge amount of damage caused by the lies that were told. Lots of therapists talk about "family secrets"; I'm beginning to think someone should write a casebook of "family lies."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1156386572439748642006-08-23T19:29:00.000-07:002006-08-23T19:29:00.000-07:00Yes, the snake as hero is an old heretical gnostic...Yes, the snake as hero is an old heretical gnostic idea (the bad kind, i.e., Gnosticism, as opposed to gnosis). Then again, as Will pointed out, it may just be an allegory for something that was inevitable given the metaphysical structure of the cosmos, that is, the relative as manifestion of the Absolute. Either way, to the extent that we remain hypnotized by the relative, we are Schnooks on a Plane.Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1156385538603329742006-08-23T19:12:00.000-07:002006-08-23T19:12:00.000-07:00"I guess the question is, was the snake on a highe..."I guess the question is, was the snake on a higher or lower plane?"<BR/><BR/><BR/>this topic,<BR/>and your post,Bob,<BR/>brought back to mind a book i'd <BR/>seen in the past(i haven't read it beyond the reviews and the author's website)...the author regards the Greek Cosmos as represented by the<BR/>didactic sculptures of the Parthenon to be a direct inversion of Old Testament Bible-Torah teaching....snake,self-awareness,apples(the Golden Apples of the Hesperides),a paradisal garden,etc....where the snake is the *enlightener* of mankind,<BR/>not his deceiver.<BR/><BR/>clearly,Houston,<BR/>we gotta problem here.<BR/><BR/>the author(who states his Christian orientation) <BR/>has written several books on the topic (ie "what is Greek religion all about?"),and it would appear he disagrees with a long line of "classical authors" and anthropolgists,who tend to see the Greek pantheon as poly-theistic and fairly chaotic.<BR/><BR/>Jacob Burkhurdt is generally considered the authoritative <BR/>academic voice on the topic<BR/>(or was before PoMo set in),<BR/>and one gathers Mr Johnson's theories would be news to him,<BR/>and the rest of classical academia as well..( i even tried to get an<BR/>emailed reply from VDH on the work...no response).<BR/><BR/><BR/>"The Parthenon Code: Mankind's History in Marble" (Hardcover) <BR/>by Jr., Robert Bowie Johnson<BR/><BR/>http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/customerreviews/0970543832/ref=cm_cr_dp_2_1/104-6949031-4086340?ie=UTF8&customer-reviews.sort%5Fby=-SubmissionDate&n=283155<BR/><BR/>I can't endorse the author or his work,and at some level it has the <BR/>whiff of an anthropolgical thriller<BR/>not unlike the DaVinci Code(even down to the title)...but the author has clearly done some legwork.<BR/><BR/>Johnson's book poses the<BR/>history as a full-on battle,<BR/>and puts forward his views of the Parthenon as the Greek society's record in stone of this battle.<BR/><BR/>there is in fact a (limited?) tradition of Hebrew condemnation<BR/>of Greek mores and behaviors<BR/>and specfically Hellenistic-era<BR/>behaviors (one imagines the ancient Greek endorsement homosexuality to be at least one major point of condemnation by the Hebrews)<BR/><BR/><BR/>PS - in addtion to VDH,<BR/>i also wrote a rambling email to <BR/>Dr. Santy about it...which she undoubtedly binned immediately.<BR/><BR/>i'll still take credit for pointing her to Hicks' <BR/>"Explaining Post-Modernism,tho.gumshoehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10567181585153569751noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1156381874461707692006-08-23T18:11:00.000-07:002006-08-23T18:11:00.000-07:00Absolute home run piece.I remain astonished that y...Absolute home run piece.<BR/><BR/>I remain astonished that you wrote a whole post on deceit and did not once mention politicians.SC&Ahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08896449261475558935noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1156379627119521522006-08-23T17:33:00.000-07:002006-08-23T17:33:00.000-07:00Yeah, Will, I can't wait till they expose the dang...Yeah, Will, I can't wait till they expose the dangers of Nazi Snakes on a Plane! Hollywood is always sooo cutting edge!Lisahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04969685296436358865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1156379468162768552006-08-23T17:31:00.000-07:002006-08-23T17:31:00.000-07:00whoops, Lisa, that was me, Will, w/snakes and plan...whoops, Lisa, that was me, Will, w/snakes and planes and crocs and cruise ships . . .Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1156379205792313952006-08-23T17:26:00.000-07:002006-08-23T17:26:00.000-07:00Lisa - lolol . . . Thank God H'wood finally had th...Lisa - lolol . . . <BR/><BR/>Thank God H'wood finally had the courage to make a film about the ever-present danger of having snakes take over a plane filled with innocent passengers!!<BR/><BR/>Look for sequel: Crocs On A Cruise Ship -Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1156375205120378732006-08-23T16:20:00.000-07:002006-08-23T16:20:00.000-07:00Just found this blog and love it. But I have a pro...Just found this blog and love it. <BR/>But I have a problem, which is that tho I've spent my 50 years trying to believe in spiritual explanations, the 'materialistic' ones work better.<BR/> <BR/>I've lived in and studied many cultures, Hindu, Confucian, Muslim, aboriginal. I don't think any of them even has a notion of Truth as we westerners understand it. The words they translate as truth actually really mean Propriety, which is completely different - don't rock the boat, tell people what they want to hear, these are very common in non-western cultures.<BR/><BR/>Why is western culture different? Having grown up in a masculine world, now gone, where we settled our differences in non-fatal fisticuffs, I find other cultures the males are weak, yes even effeminate, so they are basically cowards (from our perspective) and would rather acquiesce to power. Parasites (is there a better word?).<BR/><BR/>We old 'white males' (who did all the wickedness in the world) respect each other due to mutually assured violence. Truth comes, in my view, from warrior communication - the need for effective battle commands. <BR/><BR/>I could go on, but I simply point out that anyone who has a cosmic belief in Truth or Humanity will have it badly shaken in a traditional Indian, Chinese, African (whatever) village. Until the eyes glaze over and they adopt some lie of excuse ('it's all America/Britain/Somebody Else's fault...'). Which is a serious affliction in the west nowadays. <BR/><BR/>Anyway keep it up, I'd like to be persuaded that I'm wrong, please please give me a reason to carry on!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1156372490133175102006-08-23T15:34:00.000-07:002006-08-23T15:34:00.000-07:00I believe it is a snake on a motherfu#@in plane! ;...I believe it is a snake on a motherfu#@in plane! ;0)Lisahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04969685296436358865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1156371908725213742006-08-23T15:25:00.000-07:002006-08-23T15:25:00.000-07:00>>I guess the question is, was the snake on a high...>>I guess the question is, was the snake on a higher or lower plane?<<<BR/><BR/>Or Judas?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1156371174780005112006-08-23T15:12:00.000-07:002006-08-23T15:12:00.000-07:00O felix culpa!Or, as Joyce put it, "O foenix culpr...O felix culpa!<BR/><BR/>Or, as Joyce put it, "O foenix culprit!"<BR/><BR/>I guess the question is, was the snake on a higher or lower plane?Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1156367289520406122006-08-23T14:08:00.000-07:002006-08-23T14:08:00.000-07:00>>Why is that? Maybe because the Truth became fals...>>Why is that? Maybe because the Truth became falsehood so that falsehood might become Truth.<<<BR/><BR/>Hmm, there's the question. Was the Fall necessary in order that we achieve self-awareness and eventual partnership with the Creator?<BR/><BR/>On the individual level, this would certainly seem to be so.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1156365649795339732006-08-23T13:40:00.000-07:002006-08-23T13:40:00.000-07:00What’s worse than believing one’s own lies is the ...What’s worse than believing one’s own lies is the sick compulsion to emotionally feel something as true, when logically you are quite consciously aware it’s a lie. People do all sorts of damage to themselves. They might internalize the unfounded criticism of others, or conversely they may refuse to acknowledge their mistakes. Others might force themselves to belong to a religion they know is wrong because it’s less painful to doubt themselves than to realize that their omnipotent parental figure is actually flawed – that would leave them devoid of the sense of security they desperately crave.<BR/><BR/>Someone yesterday commented they don’t understand why in some religions personal property is viewed as a distraction, or worse yet an evil. I would like to respond to that, if you don’t mind. <BR/><BR/>One day I began thinking intently about all the good and bad in the world, all the wars that had been waged, billions of people past and present who lived, loved, planned, struggled, cried, hoped and died. When I snapped out of my reverie, I looked at my own life and was disgusted by how petty and insignificant most of my concerns are. Suddenly nothing I own and very little of what I did seemed to matter in view of the big picture. <BR/><BR/>You and I can occasionally contemplate the things I mentioned, but there are some people – Yogis, Buddhists, and others who dedicate their entire lives and minds to contemplating these things, and they can become very wise in certain ways. Their followers, who are not so advanced, want to learn and emulate them. Rather than improving their minds and allowing the physical to follow, some followers force themselves to change the outward things first, whether they are spiritually ready for that sort of change or not. I think they misunderstand – they interpret their teacher’s disinterest in material possessions as a sacrifice, when in actuality it is nothing of the sort. To the teacher, material possessions genuinely do not matter. It’s a question of point of view and priorities.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1156363036018816202006-08-23T12:57:00.000-07:002006-08-23T12:57:00.000-07:00This version (and this) amplify the comment about ...<A HREF="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%208:44;&version=65;" REL="nofollow">This version</A> (and <A HREF="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John%208:42-47;&version=45;" REL="nofollow">this</A>) amplify the comment about "the Father of Lies," and the connection between lies and murder. At base, though not always in our uncertain experience, there is an inviolable distinction: the realm of Truth and where there be Lies. <EM>Taqiyya</EM> comes to mind:<BR/><BR/>"<A HREF="http://jihadwatch.org/archives/004628.php" REL="nofollow">the twin techniques</A> of “Taqiyya” and Tu-Quoque have been relied on [for jihad].<BR/>“Taqiyya” is the religiously-sanctioned doctrine, with its origins in<BR/>Shi’a Islam but now practiced by non-Shi’a as well, of deliberate<BR/>dissimulation about religious matters that may be undertaken to protect<BR/>Islam, and the Believers. A related term, of broader application, is<BR/>“kitman,” which is defined as 'mental reservation...' "<BR/><BR/>It is easy to self-deceive with a dollop of self-righteousness; attention to the allegiances of will and where imagination lands, as well as the fruit of thoughts and behavior, can help show which territory is which.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1156360553263295972006-08-23T12:15:00.000-07:002006-08-23T12:15:00.000-07:00>>Is it not obvious to one and all (er, no) that t...>>Is it not obvious to one and all (er, no) that they are absolutely enslaved by artificial beings of their own creation?<<<BR/><BR/>Some esotericists make a distinction between Lucifer and Satan, the former being a pure "opposing principle", necessary for Creation to exist, the latter being a perversion of the former, created and given substance by human fantasy. <BR/><BR/>Satan, "father of lies", then, is given a kind of independent life as a thought-form desirous of its own existence - it demands more fantasy, more lies to make itself more substantial. This is why every negative passion, every lie, builds on itself, magnifies itself into addictions that can never be quenched. <BR/><BR/>I think at some point, the "temporary insanity" of anger can then become permanent insanity, particularly when the collective fantasy (perverted imagination) reaches a critical mass. At this point, those caught up in it have no chance of saving themselves - they have to act out their insanity in riot and mob.<BR/><BR/>If, as I believe, the Divine current is intensifying in the world, there will come, is coming, an every-increasing polarity - those who channel the Divine Imagination as Truth, and those who pervert it into fantasy and lies. Attempts to reconcile the two, to seek appeasement, are preposterous lies in themselves. These two modes of consciousness can never "understand" one another. "The Light shines in the darkness and the darkness knows it not."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1156355406121463452006-08-23T10:50:00.000-07:002006-08-23T10:50:00.000-07:00Thank you again for your insights. One small thoug...Thank you again for your insights. One small thought along this line:<BR/><BR/>One leftist canard is that ignorance leads to sin. e.g. The answer to crime is education. But rather reality usually works the other way: sin leads to ignorance.<BR/><BR/>When I sin, that is will and act in a way I know to be wrong, act opposite to the truth, to make my mind comfortable with my actions (else guilt will destroy me) I must work to justify myself, convince myself that reality is something else, lie to myself. Hence my mental picture of the world must diverge more and more from reality. That is, I make myself stupid. This, of course makes it easier for me to sin in some new area, since the truth within me that I must deny to act so is smaller.<BR/><BR/>A conservative Christian.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1156349833348201532006-08-23T09:17:00.000-07:002006-08-23T09:17:00.000-07:00Regarding animals living a lie: I knew a man who ...Regarding animals living a lie: I knew a man who was a vegetarian and who decided that his new kitten would have to be a vegetarian also. I remember pointing out to him that while humans were omnivores, cats were simple carnivores and that this did not seem a good idea. "It will be good for him," was his response. Within a year, this man had the most psychotic cat I have ever seen. Eventually, he had to put the cat down because it had become violent and attacked everyone (particularly his crazy-making owner). I don't think he ever acknowledged his part in the psychosis.Dr. Sanityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05490927712024477670noreply@blogger.com