tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post115107457952819769..comments2024-03-27T11:16:36.951-07:00Comments on One Cʘsmos: Pickin' Up Bad VibrationsGagdad Bobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comBlogger13125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1151119587388873042006-06-23T20:26:00.000-07:002006-06-23T20:26:00.000-07:00Bob-- Interesting remark about good and bad vibrat...Bob-- Interesting remark about good and bad vibrations. It certainly helps to explain the power of visual and aural forms of religious communication. I once commissioned a Greek Orthodox iconographer to write (that's the word they use; not "paint" or "draw") an icon of St. Michael the Archangel as a gift for a friend. She explained to me that every step in making the icon is accompanied by prayer: selecting the wood, preparing it by sanding it until it is as smooth as possible, preparing the pigments and the gold leaf, outlining the figure of the saint, applying the glazes, etc. When I saw the finished icon, I could tell that it was a work of prayer as well as art-- it was radiant with spiritual power as well as color. <BR/>In terms of music, I keep thinking of Bach's custom of writing shorthand Latin invocations ("JJ" for <I>Jesu, juva</I> or "Jesus, help", and "SDG" for <I>soli Deo gloria</I>, "To God alone be glory") in the margins of his music manuscripts.<BR/>Thank you for the good vibrations in today's post.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1151117555596793262006-06-23T19:52:00.000-07:002006-06-23T19:52:00.000-07:00Philomathean, I like how your mind works.Philomathean, I like how your mind works.Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1151108563677804392006-06-23T17:22:00.000-07:002006-06-23T17:22:00.000-07:00Leave it to Dilys...What she said:http://goodandha...Leave it to Dilys...<BR/>What she said:<BR/>http://goodandhappy.typepad.com/g_as_in_good_h_as_in_happ/2006/06/we_must_not_des.html<BR/><BR/>Thanks for the clarification, Bob.<BR/>My worry is that some, approaching Christianity from a different tradition, project their personal wants on it, rather than just letting it be itself. Which causes them to miss out in some ways.<BR/><BR/>An example of this in a small way was the biggish influx of Evangelical Protestant ministers into Catholicism from ca. 1985-95. Many of them went right into apologetics and teaching without missing a beat, but sometimes without taking the time needed to develop the *sensus Catholicus* they should have had before hitting the speaking circuit.<BR/><BR/>Some, in fact, went completely off the rails because they never lost the habit of private judgment.<BR/><BR/>I have no doubt that they all loved the Church - but there was a clear undertone of wishing it could be more like their former homes.<BR/><BR/>alan -<BR/>imho, the genius of the church is that it can accomodate anyone, from the simplest to the most complex. Now, sadly, the match of personality to spiritual practice isn't always made and some fall through the cracks, but the potential is there.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1151105287386627672006-06-23T16:28:00.000-07:002006-06-23T16:28:00.000-07:00Don't get me wrong--I wasn't contrasting Eastern O...Don't get me wrong--I wasn't contrasting Eastern Orthodoxy and Catholicism. Both are as "interior" as one is capable of going. It's just a matter of outward emphasis.Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1151101475191143062006-06-23T15:24:00.000-07:002006-06-23T15:24:00.000-07:00alan -not disputing you or Bob, but my own persona...alan -<BR/>not disputing you or Bob, but my own personal experiences lead me to believe that there is a lot more "verticalness" in Christianity today than you give it credit for.<BR/><BR/>Perhaps this is just luck on my part, with my lines falling in educated and orthodox places. (Disclaimer here - as a life-long Christian, I never had the "seeker's experience" that many here are engaged in. I changed ecclesiologies for richer, and that took some wrestling, but that was all within the same religion.)<BR/><BR/>Spouse wants to take a walk, back later...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1151101092988025302006-06-23T15:18:00.000-07:002006-06-23T15:18:00.000-07:00That Russia succumbed to the evil of communism may...That Russia succumbed to the evil of communism may be even a worse spiritual tragedy than we think. Sources as diverse as M Blavatsky and E Cayce had predicted that out of Russia would eventually come an authentic spiritual ideal that would serve as a light to the world. Perhaps it was the eastern orthodox mysticism combined with a more activist ideal of brotherhood that was at the core of what Blavatsky and Cayce predicted. Russia is both "European" and eastern - fertile ground for the combing of east and west spiritual traditions.<BR/><BR/>Maybe the ideal is still there, under the satanic inversion of the universal brotherhood concept that was (is) communism. One wonders what would have blossomed if only Lenin and his goons hadn't hijacked the Russian Revolution. <BR/><BR/>For what it's worth, the Fatima prophecies of 1915 (two years before the Russian Revolution)predicted that Russia, if it did not find its true soul, would "spread error throughout the world".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1151100111055057182006-06-23T15:01:00.000-07:002006-06-23T15:01:00.000-07:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Tana Zajicovahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09702949274770143836noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1151092984189260732006-06-23T13:03:00.000-07:002006-06-23T13:03:00.000-07:00On the resistance:In 2000 when I married my wife I...On the resistance:<BR/>In 2000 when I married my wife I had a belief in God, a habit of daily prayer, but still had a vague hostility to Christianity and all that 'Jesus saves' stuff. My wife is a Nichiren Buddhist. Perhaps you've heard of Nam Myoho Renge Kyo.<BR/>At the time I figured one religion was as good as any other. Out of respect for her beliefs we were married in a Buddhist ceremony. I decided I would take up the practice after returning from our honeymoon.<BR/>I had heard her and others speak of negative feelings arising when they sat down to chant. It wasn't long before I found out what they were talking about. I would try to sit down with her, recite the liturgy, and do the chanting, but it would quickly generate discomfort, annoyance, anger, and then actual rage. I practiced diligently for a year, but the negative vibe never left or showed any signs of relenting. The practice just felt <I>wrong</I> to me. I gave it up. Like a lot of people I was deeply jolted out of my worldview by 9/11. In the aftermath of that, a spiritual hunger awakened in me that has led me to draw closer to the religion of my childhood. But I still encounter the resistance. With Buddhism it was a powerful, palpable anger. Now it's the feeling that the more I try to draw closer to faith the more I am aware that I'm not there yet. Alan hit the target when he described it as a change of being. Sometimes I wait for the big AHA! and other times I don't really want a big AHA!, but I keep moving toward it anyway.<BR/><BR/>And then again- I think back to yesterday. I think of the various surahs that I quoted that deny the basic articles of the Christian faith, and the raw revulsion that those passages engender in me. I was at the top of Piccachio drive sweating and panting, and realizing how angry I was. At what? At a force I perceive as utterly hostile to the source of Truth and enlightenment.<BR/> <I> And that source would be...?</I><BR/>Holy cow- how did I get <I>here</I>?<BR/><BR/>JWMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1151083110145733402006-06-23T10:18:00.000-07:002006-06-23T10:18:00.000-07:00>>"Secular Americans are genuinely clueless in the...>>"Secular Americans are genuinely clueless in their ignorance of how much they benefit from the thoroughly Judeo-Christian milieu in which they were raised. Like those atheistic Soviets, they really don’t get it, and are largely incapable of doing so."<<<BR/><BR/>I have a neighbor with whom I periodically discuss "America" and its ideals and origins. He has an interest in the founding of this country and reads voraciously about the founders and history but has an ingrained belief that the country was founded on economic principles rather than spiritual. He was raised in a traditional midwestern family which wasn't particularly religious but like a fish in water and because he was raised in that environment, he is inculcated with the Judeo/Christian ethic that was literaly part of the air he breathed. When we discuss a point about values he will come back with "well it's just common sense" as if everyone on earth would see it that way. Lately I've been asking him "would that just be common sense in Iran?" (insert country of choice)<BR/>I'll plant a few seeds and when I see him in another few months, I can actually see how he has incorporated some of what we discussed into his worldview. <BR/>I don't think he will ever be particularly religious but because he is open to learning and seeing the truth, he is open to the possibility that it is the spiritual ideals (common sense) of the nation which then produce the economic and other beneficial manifestations.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1151082991117205502006-06-23T10:16:00.000-07:002006-06-23T10:16:00.000-07:00Alan--Yes. Swish.Alan--<BR/><BR/>Yes. Swish.Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1151082729444570782006-06-23T10:12:00.000-07:002006-06-23T10:12:00.000-07:00Speaking about the Russians, I've seen a few famil...Speaking about the Russians, I've seen a few families who have adopted children from Russia and I had the same thoughts about them as you decribed in the patients you have seen. They are missing something. One child in particular was so cute with such an angelic smile - but his adopted parents caught him torturing the family dog and trying to kill his infant sister they had had after adopting him - presumably because he was jealous of her.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1151082137963602882006-06-23T10:02:00.000-07:002006-06-23T10:02:00.000-07:00I think you're taking me a bit literally. "Buildi...I think you're taking me a bit literally. "Building a bridge to the first century" was meant to be a bit of a larf. I'm simply talking about recovering the interior dimension of Christianity and integrating it with the horizontality of more mainstream Christianity. Both are required, in my opinion.Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1151081210973719862006-06-23T09:46:00.000-07:002006-06-23T09:46:00.000-07:00Hi Bob,You wrote:"This is why a fair number of mod...Hi Bob,<BR/><BR/>You wrote:<BR/>"This is why a fair number of modern people are pushing into the future by building a bridge to the first century--by embracing the earliest forms of Christianity, as opposed to modern deviations such as fundamentalism which are in fact extremely exteriorized."<BR/><BR/>It's way harder for me to write a short comment on this than to write a long one. But, you're right about what a lot of Christians are doing, but I'm not sure it's right for Christians to be doing this.<BR/><BR/>I've had a lot of exposure to Christians and churches that try to be "restored" or "first century". Those have been around for generations in America. I've also had first hand experience with "emerging" churches and their efforts to regain some of the mystery and perhaps this "inner" stuff of the First Century church.<BR/><BR/>The problems with this are:<BR/><BR/>First, the core of Christianity is outside time. "Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength." takes care of a lot of it. Easy to say, but not so easy to do. (In fact, the Greek words behind "heart", "soul", "mind", and "strength" really mean something much more spiritually systemic and integrated than our English words communicate, but just try and find someone in a church who really knows what these words meant in Greek, or Aramaic for that matter.) <BR/><BR/>Second, the First Century Christian church was about as full of problems and dysfunctionality as it is today. Paul's letter to a large extent were written to get people back on course. Christians don't really want to be like the First Century church; they want what the First Century church was supposed to have been had it been perfect. It wasn't.<BR/><BR/>Third, as much as we might want to be First Century Christians, we're stuck being Twenty First Century Americans trying to be Christians. Trying to go back to a time in history places a huge burden on the mind that doesn't need to be there, especially since the core truths of Christianity are outside time anyway.<BR/><BR/>I wish more Christians would engage in this culture war we are in right now in the present. We need fewer worship leaders and more lawyers; less entertainment and more education. Christian churches just waste a lot of time. Our kingdom may not be of this world, but that should be the very reason we try to make a difference.<BR/><BR/>EricAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com