tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post114278012154191153..comments2024-03-28T20:04:20.286-07:00Comments on One Cʘsmos: Political Seance, Part 2Gagdad Bobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comBlogger38125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1142925565525614972006-03-20T23:19:00.000-08:002006-03-20T23:19:00.000-08:00Liquid- it's just my inner Keith Richard.Liquid- it's just my inner Keith Richard.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1142922557978662082006-03-20T22:29:00.000-08:002006-03-20T22:29:00.000-08:00Will--- hoist 'em by their own petardI am beginnin...Will--- hoist 'em by their own petard<BR/><BR/>I am beginning to wonder if there isn't a little "pirate" in ya! Ha HaLiquidLifeHackerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01949269503629475002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1142922421707051262006-03-20T22:27:00.000-08:002006-03-20T22:27:00.000-08:00bunnies, for more perspective on Europe's failures...bunnies, for more perspective on Europe's failures as you underscored them, try Berlinki's Menace In Europe.<BR/><BR/>is good.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1142921966121505442006-03-20T22:19:00.000-08:002006-03-20T22:19:00.000-08:00kahn - lolol, very good. That's using elevated kah...kahn - lolol, very good. That's using elevated kahn-sciousness. hoist 'em by their own petard.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1142916564745869882006-03-20T20:49:00.000-08:002006-03-20T20:49:00.000-08:00"I really think that libs believe we progressive c...<I>"I really think that libs believe we progressive conservative-types see reality just as they do, only out of our greed and tight-fistedness, we simply give it another coloring. Truth is I can easily imagine myself into the perspective of a lib. (I do not recommend doing this for any longer than 15 seconds) I have yet to encounter a lib who would say they could imagine themselves a con."</I><BR/><BR/>This is one thing that gives me conviction in my views. I know that I can make their arguments right back to them, I can disagree and still view them as well intentioned and even intelligent. But for a leftist it is impossible to see a conservative as anything but evil or stupid...and now, in the face of a civilizational crisis, the left-wing relativist worldview is further exposed to reality it becomes even more impossible to hold on to it.<BR/><BR/>One night down at the cafe (this is here in SF) I found myself chatting with one of our more absurd local moonbats (in fact, this guy frequently pops up - with his paragraph long signs about Halliburton and the CIA, et al - on Zombie's site). I know better than to argue with these nuts, so when he started talking to me and politics came up I told him I was a Trotskyite. I intended it as a short rhetorical experiment. I began making calm, intellectual arguments for worker's rights, the abuse of the means of production, etc.<BR/><BR/>Well, 2 hours later I was somehow still going strong, pounding the table in outrage that he would dare to question the alleged human rights violations of Father Fidel. After all, I told him, Cuba's worker's utopia is under constant threat from a relentless foreign enemy (Bush and The Zionists - figured I'd throw them in too) who is bent of the destruction of their society and our ideals!! How else is Fidel supposed to protect the healthcare, education and grand Marxist ideals than to imprison those who aid in this assault!?!<BR/><BR/>Eventually <I>my</I> leftism frightened him off, and I haven't seen him since - nor have I seen him on Zombie. I just hope his head didn't explode. <BR/><BR/>Now, I'd be really impressed to meet a liberal who could fool me by parroting conservative arguments. <BR/><BR/>In fact, a liberal - but not politically obsessed - friend, who's an SF native, just told me a story about how one year she and her friends went into the San Francisco streets to mock Republicans. One pre-election Halloween they dressed up like Frankenstein and Dracula, etc. and held a mock rally with signs saying they were Republicans and in favor of "Evil." They figured this would get some laughs. But no, the satire was apparently too sophisticated for the locals. They had liberals screaming, yelling and spitting on them! Telling them to get the hell out of the city! The moonbats thought this was REAL Republican rally!!!! <BR/><BR/>Although, I can imagine it must have been jarring to think that members of The Right had caught on to the political potency of street theater.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1142912396211755182006-03-20T19:39:00.000-08:002006-03-20T19:39:00.000-08:00Whew! A moment of Silence here in the foothills of...Whew! A moment of Silence here in the foothills of Bobland.<BR/><BR/>will's oracular <BR/><EM>liberty >>the sublimated fire (choice of)>>vertical liftoff.(or fiery on-the-pad explosion)</EM> just handled Grace vs. Works. No escaping the paradox of Both. <BR/><BR/>Sublimation entering the algorithm in Liberty's tangle with license, suggests Lent and ascesis, generosity and sacrifice, as inalienable sublimated fire, banking the coals against the hours before dawn.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1142910672494681682006-03-20T19:11:00.000-08:002006-03-20T19:11:00.000-08:00JWM - thanks, gracious of you.JWM - thanks, gracious of you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1142910522833359202006-03-20T19:08:00.000-08:002006-03-20T19:08:00.000-08:00dilys, yes, yes, a book on said subject!if I may a...dilys, yes, yes, a book on said subject!<BR/><BR/>if I may add: liberty >>the sublimated fire (choice of)>>vertical liftoff.(or fiery on-the-pad explosion))<BR/><BR/>and not just gulag saints, per se. Every saint has his or her own gulag of sorts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1142909847848170372006-03-20T18:57:00.000-08:002006-03-20T18:57:00.000-08:00Lisa: Synchronicity again. Thank you for that link...Lisa: Synchronicity again. Thank you for that link. It will make me sleep better tonight.<BR/><BR/>Well, no it won't. ;)<BR/><BR/>Hello LLH! And Will, I have very much enjoyed the stuff you've had to say since you began posting here! <BR/><BR/>JWMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1142906948242493592006-03-20T18:09:00.000-08:002006-03-20T18:09:00.000-08:00A post so fine ... can't comment ...Oh, wait, yes,...A post so fine ... can't comment ...<BR/><BR/>Oh, wait, yes, I think there's an entire book topic on liberty on the horizontal > traction-for-liftoff to the vertical. Taking into consideration such exceptions as gulag saints. And explaining how horizontal liberty is a necessary but not sufficient condition, and how it goes awry into license and materialism.<BR/><BR/>Unless that's a whole history of the world.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1142904024716846322006-03-20T17:20:00.000-08:002006-03-20T17:20:00.000-08:00JWM- I also ran across this article at American Th...JWM- I also ran across this article at American Thinker<BR/>http://www.americanthinker.com/articles.php?article_id=5341 <BR/>entitled The Real Reasons Behind The Peace Movement. There definitely is a sinister element involved in organizing the so called Peace Movement. Unfortunately, most people who go out to these demonstrations have no idea who is really behind them. I can almost understand the well-meaning making a mistake during Vietnam, but geez, to go through the same thing 30 years later with the same people behind it. Talk about dim bulbs. How long will it take before people learn?<BR/><BR/>PS. Will, you may be a ditzhead but at least you are charming!;0) And you always have something relevant to say even if you say it twice!Lisahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04969685296436358865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1142903848182659532006-03-20T17:17:00.000-08:002006-03-20T17:17:00.000-08:00Hiya Jwm! Good to see ya here!Will...I think you'r...Hiya Jwm! Good to see ya here!<BR/><BR/>Will...I think you're funny under any name ya post under!LiquidLifeHackerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01949269503629475002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1142903669317306042006-03-20T17:14:00.000-08:002006-03-20T17:14:00.000-08:00Honestly, Bob, that anonymous "cons are liberals w...Honestly, Bob, that anonymous "cons are liberals who've been mugged" commentor was me. Being (mistakingly) anonymous makes me feel like my persona has been bleached by Lefties, all in the interest of "fairness" and "diversity".<BR/><BR/>Gives me the creepy-crawlies.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1142901630679267232006-03-20T16:40:00.000-08:002006-03-20T16:40:00.000-08:00Anonymous--That's just about right. The circle kn...Anonymous--<BR/><BR/><BR/>That's just about right. The circle knows nothing about the sphere. To the two-dimensional circle it looks just like another circle. Except it's an arrogant circle, because it pretends to have a third dimension.Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1142901378493955122006-03-20T16:36:00.000-08:002006-03-20T16:36:00.000-08:00whoops, that last "anonymous" comment was me, Will...whoops, that last "anonymous" comment was me, Will.<BR/><BR/>This is what I mean when I say I am a ditzhead.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1142901291249427712006-03-20T16:34:00.000-08:002006-03-20T16:34:00.000-08:00re the study: what about us post-adolescent jerks ...re the study: what about us post-adolescent jerks who were reflexively liberal, then saw the LIGHT? More evidence for the quantum leap, I say.<BR/><BR/>"A conservative is a liberal who got mugged". (by reality)<BR/><BR/>I honestly think that the primary difference between liberal and conservative is not merely in "perspectives" but - I speak generally now - in levels of consciousness. As people get older, they do generally get more conservative, that is, their consciousnesses are raised as they escape the magical reality/solipsistic consciousness of childhood. "If you're young and conservative, you don't have a heart" - heart meaning passion, the primary fire, which is later to be sublimated. "If you're older and liberal, you don't have a brain" - brain meaning you don't have a brain.<BR/><BR/>I really think that libs believe we progressive conservative-types see reality just as they do, only out of our greed and tight-fistedness, we simply give it another coloring. Truth is I can easily imagine myself into the perspective of a lib. (I do not recommend doing this for any longer than 15 seconds) I have yet to encounter a lib who would say they could imagine themselves a con. Being a higher state of consciousness, it is simply a mystery to them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1142899850145215362006-03-20T16:10:00.000-08:002006-03-20T16:10:00.000-08:00Lisa - By posting my comment twice, I was merely ...Lisa - <BR/><BR/>By posting my comment twice, I was merely making a symbolic statement re the primal duality, the yin/yang polarity that allows for all of Existence.<BR/><BR/>I would have thought that obvious. Sheesh.<BR/><BR/>OK, actually, I'm a ditzhead drunk. ON LIFE.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1142898949484499052006-03-20T15:55:00.000-08:002006-03-20T15:55:00.000-08:00Oh yes. The anti-divine forces exist and are palp...Oh yes. The anti-divine forces exist and are palpably real. Perhaps I'll post about how they fit into the cosmic economy tomorrow. After all, it is a full employment cosmos.Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1142898437944740392006-03-20T15:47:00.000-08:002006-03-20T15:47:00.000-08:00I haven't thrown in my two cents worth for a while...I haven't thrown in my two cents worth for a while-but there is a lot here that has me thinking.<BR/>It's funny- synchronicity at work here- I came over to this blog from LGF which used to eat up huge amounts of my computer time. But as of late I've been avoiding LGF, and just lurking here. The truth is- LGF is just too scary. Especially this morning. I looked at the pictures posted yesterday from the various organized protests staged around the country on Saturday. <BR/>Charles posts this stuff, and links over to Zombietime whenever these moronic convergences are held. Usually it's amusing in a pathetic sort of way.<BR/><BR/>This time there was nothing amusing about it. Go look for yourself. I go deersick trying to find the words to put on it. <BR/><BR/>You see, I've been poring over the Religious Question. And warring hard with my own set of personal demons who seem to go into overdrive any time I begin poring over the Religious Question. The demons have won a round or two.<BR/><BR/> But something is happening. Because this morning when I looked at the shots of the protestors I didn't see a bunch of laughable loonies and lame-o's. The idiots haven't changed. But I have undergone a rather jarring shift in perception.<BR/><BR/> What I saw in these pictures was people in service to Evil. As in Biblical- work of satan, life and soul destroying, civilization ruining, utterly dark and rotten Evil.<BR/><BR/>It's what I saw on 9/11, but did not have the depth to comprehend. Evil as a manifest presence. An anti-god with a will and a desire to thwart the prime directive- the Will of God- which is <I>that life should flourish.</I><BR/><BR/>Otherwise what could possibly drive these people- the shock troops of the far left- to make common cause with islam? How could anyone hold the idea that there is something compatable between the absolute license on display at these loonfests and the dictates of sharia which would have them all killed? <BR/><BR/>It's hard not to entertain thoughts, fears and, oddly enough, hopes that the end of the world- some sort of apocalyptic reckoning is coming down the pike. I'm only half serious about the 'hope' part. You know how that is.<I> Let's see what do I want- take out the trash, clean the house, fix the car- or the end of the world?</I> Today I'll reluctantly opt for the chores.<BR/><BR/>JWMAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1142895756849336162006-03-20T15:02:00.000-08:002006-03-20T15:02:00.000-08:00Yeah Bob...I like the way you word it better!Yeah Bob...I like the way you word it better!LiquidLifeHackerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01949269503629475002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1142895624492183552006-03-20T15:00:00.000-08:002006-03-20T15:00:00.000-08:00Lisa--The liberal whiners all grew up and became l...Lisa--The liberal whiners all grew up and became lawyers for the ACLU!<BR/><BR/>Ha Ha...yeah lets do a study on those lawyers...oh my, wouldn't that be interesting!<BR/><BR/>90--OK, having looked at that article liquid, I am going to ask you according to what that aricle claimed... hahahaa... what are you supposed to be? <BR/><BR/>I don't know what you mean by what am I suppose to be? It sure seems alot of studies today are quite bias and perhaps even agenda driven, for example the new study published by the Harvard University which CAIR uses on the Israel issue! As for this recent article on the study about the whiny kids, which was done by Berkley, I personally agree with Jeff Greenberg's view!LiquidLifeHackerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01949269503629475002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1142895190727663182006-03-20T14:53:00.000-08:002006-03-20T14:53:00.000-08:00I agree entirely with the study, but I would word ...I agree entirely with the study, but I would word it differently: <BR/><BR/>"The outspoken kids tended to grow up conservative, and turned into solid young adults who undersand that men and women are not identical. They were not subject to the sexual identity confusion that bedevils liberals. Nor were they comfortable with ambiguous, wishy-washy, feeling-driven, liberal-type thought.<BR/><BR/>The kids that turned out liberal ended up undiscplined thinkers forever living in confusion and ambiguity, rebelling against reality. Like their adult counterparts, these little liberals are forever trying to explore alternatives to reality. Of course, there is no alternative to reality, but this doesn't seem to mitigate their ambiguity about it in the least.Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1142894948998137022006-03-20T14:49:00.000-08:002006-03-20T14:49:00.000-08:00A good Freudian psychologist would surely say that...A good Freudian psychologist would surely say that liberalism and conservatism is related to the oral and anal stages of development. There could be some humorous comments with some Freudian analysis.90https://www.blogger.com/profile/04196503425462780291noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1142894316894751572006-03-20T14:38:00.000-08:002006-03-20T14:38:00.000-08:00Are you drunk again, will? Was that a hiccup?!Are you drunk again, will? Was that a hiccup?!Lisahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04969685296436358865noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-1142893804184476642006-03-20T14:30:00.000-08:002006-03-20T14:30:00.000-08:00Pilates for light bulbs!!Pilates for light bulbs!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com