tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post1104988125337527955..comments2024-03-27T11:16:36.951-07:00Comments on One Cʘsmos: On the Limitlessness of Human IntelligenceGagdad Bobhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-65411170189083488712009-07-22T07:11:58.570-07:002009-07-22T07:11:58.570-07:00"your perception of a hatred that doesn't..."your perception of a hatred that doesn't exist amuses you?"<br /><br />You might recall that the post abandons the idea of questioning the reality of other people's perceptions.<br /><br />"To argue over this is analogous to telling someone that what they see with their own eyes cannot be trusted, because vision is just light waves transformed into an image in the brain. "<br /><br />Ummm, yes. <a href="http://www.michaelbach.de/ot/sze_Frankfurter/index.html" rel="nofollow">It does have an element of that.</a>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-91277725846890369702009-07-20T14:15:37.115-07:002009-07-20T14:15:37.115-07:00"What amuses me most is you seem to have a ha..."What amuses me most is you seem to have a hatred of those in college," <br /><br />Hmm, your perception of a hatred that doesn't exist amuses you? <br />Ever wonder why? <br /><br />"and you knock education as if it were some form of propaganda or as if kids aren't really getting an education."<br /><br />Bob don't knock education, he knocks indoctrination of propaganda (dressed up and presented as education), deceit and lies commonly used by leftist perfessers of the profane.<br /><br />"But the least you can say is those people actually take effort to go through college."<br /><br />Yes, how nice that those kids put out so much effort to learn propaganda, and I'm sure their professors also made an effort to brainwash those kids in the most efficient way they know how.<br />Because, you know, it's all about the effort...USS Ben USN (Ret)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07492369604790651538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-57484210791807848302009-07-20T14:03:45.780-07:002009-07-20T14:03:45.780-07:00"Therefore, to deny the transcendent absolute..."Therefore, to deny the transcendent absolute is first and foremost an act of great moral and intellectual cowardice -- and usually narcissistic duplicity as well, for such individuals covertly worship their own personal version of the absolute, which reduces to their own corrupt and worthless ego." <br /><br />Well said, Bob!<br />Not surprisingly, GIP and Anniny demonstrated this, along with an immense lack of basic reading comprehension.USS Ben USN (Ret)https://www.blogger.com/profile/07492369604790651538noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-22155809416243815412009-07-20T12:52:39.113-07:002009-07-20T12:52:39.113-07:00Well, yes, I did read the post, after all. ;)Well, yes, I did read the post, after all. ;)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-50559032128737775982009-07-20T07:54:03.003-07:002009-07-20T07:54:03.003-07:00Sounds like you already have.Sounds like you already have.Cousin Dupreenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-25300005989966956282009-07-20T07:35:42.210-07:002009-07-20T07:35:42.210-07:00>>it ultimately comes down to the fact that ...>>it ultimately comes down to the fact that I perceive something and they don’t<<<br /><br /><br />Schizophrenics often use exactly the same argument. Should we be giving them more credence?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-39466211738635229842009-07-20T00:23:37.667-07:002009-07-20T00:23:37.667-07:00Well, I'll pile on with the other anonymoous a...Well, I'll pile on with the other anonymoous and say Bob does have a deficit. He seems to lack respect.<br /><br />There are four main qualities that must be observed to be a real spiritual writer:<br /><br />Equality: The abilty to drop judgement of things or people, or the abiltiy to refrain to put a spin on them, as right or wrong.<br /><br />Bob doesn't have it here. <br /><br />Sincerity: A total dedication to state the truth as well as can be percieved. I do think Bob is sincere.<br /><br />Unity: A sense of coeval paity with people and things. This Bob lacks. He does not care to lump himself in with people who are not God people. But he should. <br /><br /><br />Surrender: The sense of duty to God alone as percieved by the best lights a person a capable of. Bob I believe is surrendered. <br /><br />Therefore Bob's deficits are in the fields of unity and equality. Therein lies his work. I don't judge him. He is at a cetain stage.<br /><br />I will say Petey is not helping Bob adequately. From what I've read of his sayings, he is a second rate or low level guide.<br /><br />My advice is to augment Petey with some other, and higher, guide source.<br /><br />Yadda yadda yaddaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-34195347728329915792009-07-19T22:28:16.277-07:002009-07-19T22:28:16.277-07:00What color was God this morning?What color was God this morning?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-16680285432178425392009-07-19T22:24:34.483-07:002009-07-19T22:24:34.483-07:00Nothing more sacred than the holy name, Goddinpott...Nothing more sacred than the holy name, Goddinpotty...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-18674938708765405762009-07-19T21:40:07.948-07:002009-07-19T21:40:07.948-07:00He who smelt it...He who smelt it...Cousin Dupreenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-27327887010954201612009-07-19T21:20:35.449-07:002009-07-19T21:20:35.449-07:00Frankly, there are a few people for whom the realm...<i>Frankly, there are a few people for whom the realm of the sacred really seems to be a closed book....This is why I don’t enjoy debating or arguing with people who disagree with me, for it ultimately comes down to the fact that I perceive something and they don’t. </i><br /><br />I know the sacred, I serve the sacred, the sacred is a friend of mine. And you, sir, have your head so far up your ass you mistake your own brainfarts for the holy pneuma.goddinpottynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-70072073749311796352009-07-19T18:35:02.629-07:002009-07-19T18:35:02.629-07:00Along those lines, I would again remind readers th...Along those lines, I would again remind readers that <i>The Book of Absolutes</i>, by William Gairdner (see sidebar), is a gem. Cuts through centuries of bullshit, and shows why a college education is so very harmful to the soul. And he's not even coming from a religious perspective....Gagdad Bobhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14249005793605006679noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-44616595425567420182009-07-19T18:18:48.737-07:002009-07-19T18:18:48.737-07:00I am thankful, in at least one respect, that I did...I am thankful, in at least one respect, that I didn't get a "humanities"-related degree. As Van noted, I am one who has learned about human thought e.g. on the Absolute, by/for myself (for better or worse)<br /><br />But it is amazing that so many of the college educated, unless they had some way to be pre-inoculated, have ended up doctrinaire relativists. There hasn't been anyone to ever say differently, so it all just seems "obvious" to them.<br /><br />I studied music, and postmodernism etc wasn't part of the deal--it was a "conserv-atory" education after all. The Lit majors, on the other hand, got it by the shovelful. I'm not sure they will ever recover...and am thankful I was spared.slackosophernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-83122956095308963762009-07-19T18:17:02.223-07:002009-07-19T18:17:02.223-07:00'“So let me get this straight,” I said. “Are y...'“So let me get this straight,” I said. “Are you dividing the world ...'<br /><br />Thank you. I can't even count the number of times I wished I'd had so elegant a response.<br /><br />It'll take me 20 minutes to wipe the smile off my face.katzxyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02271736861541089213noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-37888860680940013352009-07-19T16:57:12.972-07:002009-07-19T16:57:12.972-07:00It's pile-on Sunday! Okay, I don't have an...It's pile-on Sunday! Okay, I don't have anything better to do, so let me add my bit . . . <br /><br />Anonymous says:<br /><br />>>If you're so correct and what you believe is so obvious, it should be easy to show other people the correct way, which would in turn make them realize for themselves the errors of their own beliefs<<<br /><br />To which Bob pre-replied:<br /><br />>> . . it ultimately comes down to the fact that I perceive something and they don’t<<<br /><br />That's it, bingo. You cannot easily show people the "correct way" (re: meta matters) if they are bereft of higher perception, in fact, is it freakin' impossible.willnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-55331024316411654312009-07-19T15:18:46.642-07:002009-07-19T15:18:46.642-07:00"The most obvious problem with you, Bob, is t..."The most obvious problem with you, Bob, is that instead of thinking perhaps you're not on the right track, you assume everybody else is on the wrong one. You act as if it takes intellect to talk shit, and somehow have convinced yourself that you really are smarter, without having made a genuine argument for your beliefs."<br /><br />It sounds like anonymous assumes Bob is on the wrong track, and that anonymous has a smarter way of dealing with things.<br /><br />"It's easy to make stuff up about people and say they can't change. But the reality of the situation is, you've been doing this for several years, your crowd has only marginally grown."<br /><br />It sounds like anonymous is saying that Bob is stuck in some kind of "can't-change" rut. Interestingly, since anonymous is commenting here, he counts as part of the marginal growth of Bob's readership. Well, one person at a time, anonymous! Bob is a patient man!<br /><br />"I'm not certain, but you definitely don't have much of a strong case when you seem so certain of the ignorance of many of these liberal brainwashed students, who turn out to be successful surgeons, engineers, competent lawyers, and so on."<br /><br />It sounds like anonymous seems pretty certain of the ignorance of Bob. Even though he's "not certain", he knows what is "definitely" the case.<br /><br />So, what I take away from all this, is that, when it comes to Bob's arrogant blog, everyone is entitled to anonymous's opinion.Matteohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05393908406875742989noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-64130702854232972112009-07-19T14:19:33.184-07:002009-07-19T14:19:33.184-07:00aninnymouse said "In the least college provid...aninnymouse said "In the least college provides them education, it's up to them to make use of it."<br /><br />In fact, it is because they <i>don't</i> provide an Education, that the rest of the issues exist.<br /><br />Lance that boil first, and simple, legitimate disagreements about how to apply principles, can remain and flourish. Show me the college poly-sci student, for instance, who not only understands what people such as Hume, Rousseau, Mill, Marx, etc, said, let alone the objections to them, and I'll show you someone who either learned it on their own, or went to a college more along the lines of Hilsdale, than (insert your city, state here) U. I'd go on to mention Aristotle, Locke, etc, but too much laughter isn't always a good thing.<br /><br />Gotta love it - wv:spingoVan Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-25141240987454747952009-07-19T14:11:47.198-07:002009-07-19T14:11:47.198-07:00aninnymouse said "If you're so correct an...aninnymouse said "If you're so correct and what you believe is so obvious, it should be easy to show other people the correct way, which would in turn make them realize for themselves the errors of their own beliefs."<br /><br />Guess you missed this,<br /><br />"He impatiently said, “Okay,” pointing to the remnants of our dinner. “The lasagna was good. Where’s the metaphysics in that?”<br /><br />“So let me get this straight,” I said. “Are you dividing the world into a realm of objects and subjects that can obtain truthful information about them?”"<br /><br />Why don't see if you can master that one first, then try again.<br /><br />wv:isbor<br />Certainly is.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-73563094418957247532009-07-19T14:06:45.154-07:002009-07-19T14:06:45.154-07:00"Rationalists believe that, unlike the theist..."Rationalists believe that, unlike the theist, they start from "zero,” without any dogma or metaphysics at all."<br /><br />Which is completely preposterous. And speaking of Descartes, finally posted <a href="http://blogodidact.blogspot.com/2009/07/unknown-conspiracies-you-dont-think.html" rel="nofollow">Unknown Conspiracies – You don’t think, therefore, they are</a>.Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-78301777642415455292009-07-19T13:21:03.116-07:002009-07-19T13:21:03.116-07:00"He insists that there is no such thing as me..."He insists that there is no such thing as metaphysics, and that knowledge (he would never say “truth”) is merely a property of sentences. Either a sentence can be justified or it cannot. I insisted that it was impossible to make a nontrivial statement about the world without an implicit metaphysic, usually a bad one. He impatiently said, “Okay,” pointing to the remnants of our dinner. “The lasagna was good. Where’s the metaphysics in that?”<br /><br />“So let me get this straight,” I said. “Are you dividing the world into a realm of objects and subjects that can obtain truthful information about them?”"<br /><br />OMG! I would have soOo loved being there and choking on and laughing my food all across the table! (I suppose the feeling may not have been mutual... still ...)Van Harveyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08470413719262297062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-20564582042381517172009-07-19T12:51:00.390-07:002009-07-19T12:51:00.390-07:00Anon at 11:02. If it was any shorter it wouldn...Anon at 11:02. If it was any shorter it wouldn't be as funny. You have to be in college, where word count matters more then content.Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03149296283560293988noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-10893075506486443282009-07-19T11:02:49.468-07:002009-07-19T11:02:49.468-07:00Eh, you're baiting for an argument. Or trollin...Eh, you're baiting for an argument. Or trolling for trolls.<br /><br />But let's ignore your tendencies towards any kind of attention. In my personal experiences, it never seems as though people who are about spreading ideas are really ever critical of others, as much as persuasive. If you're so correct and what you believe is so obvious, it should be easy to show other people the correct way, which would in turn make them realize for themselves the errors of their own beliefs. <br /><br />The most obvious problem with you, Bob, is that instead of thinking perhaps you're not on the right track, you assume everybody else is on the wrong one. You act as if it takes intellect to talk shit, and somehow have convinced yourself that you really are smarter, without having made a genuine argument for your beliefs.<br /><br />It's easy to make stuff up about people and say they can't change. But the reality of the situation is, you've been doing this for several years, your crowd has only marginally grown. <br /><br />What amuses me most is you seem to have a hatred of those in college, and you knock education as if it were some form of propaganda or as if kids aren't really getting an education. But the least you can say is those people actually take effort to go through college.<br /><br />I think that secretly your problem is your dissatisfaction with the political representation of those who attend college. It's as if it's a defense of the religious right who are under-represented at the college graduate level, when college is available to everybody. You can knock the kids who attend college all you want, but by all means you can't expect every one of them to make it through college without some degree of intelligence or effort. Especially those who graduate with technical degrees.<br /><br />To an extent there are degrees and courses where it is easier to get by, there's no doubt about that. But honestly, college for the most part isn't a free pass. The thing that bothers me most about the argument against colleges and schooling is the negative attitude towards the liberal leanings of the educated, while the conservatives who are critical of that tend to be conservative, who wholly have the same opportunity to attend.<br /><br />And perhaps additionally there may be some resentment from your rejection from your initial choice of college. <br /><br />I'm not certain, but you definitely don't have much of a strong case when you seem so certain of the ignorance of many of these liberal brainwashed students, who turn out to be successful surgeons, engineers, competent lawyers, and so on. I suppose I only take issue with your attempt to paint it as if college is a negative, when in reality the issue is the people themselves. In the least college provides them education, it's up to them to make use of it. Just because a majority of them are liberal and a majority of college staff leans progressive does not mean that colleges are brainwashing students. <br /><br />Its funny that many or most of our biggest advancements in most fields come from colleges and college studies, and from college students and graduates. And yet, the claim is that most of those people don't have a deep understanding of what they're being taught. I think that some of them have to. Just an unusual discrepancy from what you're saying and what's going on.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-57040310394433444732009-07-19T10:30:00.363-07:002009-07-19T10:30:00.363-07:00>> . . a larger percentage of atheists seem ...>> . . a larger percentage of atheists seem to have been traumatized by exposure to a dysfunctional version of religion as a child. They are the ones who can get more angry, obnoxious and militant<<<br /><br />I think just such a traumatizing can often lead to a mature spiritual understanding, providing one grows out of the rebellious phase of young adulthood. And of course providing the dysfunctional version of religion wasn't too grotesque - no whippings, self-flagellations, family beheadings, and the like. I mean the most common, most visible religious dysfunction - religious hypocrisy. Easy and fun to mock, surely, but considering that hypocrisy is the homage that vice pays to virtue, as one matures, one (ideally) begins to sense that there really is a real virtue to be had in religion. <br /><br />But, as we all know, the Boomers stayed locked into their early rebellious phase, their now perennial "challenge authority" stance. Thus for them all authority is hypocritical - only relativism is genuine.willnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8580258.post-26921017184417105052009-07-19T08:32:57.059-07:002009-07-19T08:32:57.059-07:00Several years ago, when I still lived in Californi...Several years ago, when I still lived in California, I heard an interview with Tony LaRussa during the off-season (he has a home in the Bay Area). The conversation got around to who he thought was the best player in Baseball.<br /><br />He replied, "A kid named Albert Pujols. Best I've ever seen."<br /><br />He saw then what seemingly everyone sees now.<br /><br />Thanks for the Sunday fare!walthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01388218390016612051noreply@blogger.com