Wednesday, September 03, 2008

Spiritual Warfare at the Leading Fringe of Cosmic Evolution

Every once in awhile I write something that gets some attention. Yesterday was a case in point. We were linked to a number of big blogs, including NewsBusters. I don't think it had so much to do with the piece itself, which was pretty much your standard Raccoon porn, as the incredible storm of consciouness-energy and even agitation that has been unleashed by Hurricane Sarah. It is clear that people on both sides of reality are extraordinarily "energized" by her, but what does it mean? "Energy" is one of those words, like "time," which everyone uses but no one can really define.

Physicists have no idea what energy is, only what it does. The dictionary doesn't help, defining it as "the capacity of being active" or "the capacity for doing work." Transferred to the human plane, this doesn't make a lot of sense. For example, think of all the liberal "activists" who do not actually "work." In fact, if they worked, they wouldn't have the time or energy to be activists.

It seems that for humans, energy is value-neutral, in that it will only make the unredeemed man more of what he already is, so to speak. With the influx of energy, a deplorable rag such as the Enquirer or New York Times simply becomes more of one, if that is possible. Keith Olbermann only becomes more unglued. Chris Matthews only hurls more spittle at the back of your TV screen, which is impossible to clean. The MSMistry of Truth only burrows further into the Messiah's.... tank. In other words, the energy in no way "elevates" its recipient, although the person no doubt feels more alive when the energy is rushing along his keel and causing a tingle in his pasty and corpulent thigh.

I'm sure this is why so many people on the left are so addicted to anger and outrage, and the reason why I counsel my slavish clones not to get too caught up in the tempest of the day; or, at the very least, to do so with one eye on the Aion and another eye winking. What you do with your third eye is your business.

Our work is not political per se. For us, there can be no political solution. Rather, nothing short of a transformation of consciousness can alter the present course of history. History is not just a horizontal stream of time, being that it is composed of humans (and cultures) of differing developmental -- which is to say, vertical -- levels. I think about this all the time as it pertains to my three and a-half year old. I well remember that eternal, magical space that I lived in when I was his age -- about the natural mysticism of childhood -- and about how he is in that identical space, despite all the historical differences. They are all obliterated in the mystery of his pure consciousness, which is being and bliss. When he's getting his way, that is. When he's not, he suddenly transmogrifies into a whining and entitled liberal. Same conscious-energy. Different result.

History, like man himself, is just a middle term linking two ahistorical realities. If we think of history as the residue of, or the tracks laid down by, the Adventure of Consciousness, what is most important for us is not its horizontal meandering but its vertical ascent. In other words, profane history is merely the "stage," so to speak, on which the army of man makes forays into the vertical and slowly colonizes it -- just as some 40,000 years ago, proto-humans slowly began colonizing the a priori space of humanness and all its various "mansions," both high and low.

To put it another way -- and this is a critical point -- the acquisition of humanness was not merely an evolutionary ascent. Rather, it simultaneously -- and necessarily -- involved opening up a space which was lower than the beasts. This is why man and only man can be higher or lower than an animal, depending upon the choices he makes. This is also why history is so surreal and subreal.

Imagine an advancing army, only moving upward and inward; as Sri Aurobindo put it, it is like "a tide or mounding flux, the leading fringe of which touches the highest degrees of a cliff or hill while the rest is still below," or "an army advancing in columns which annexes new ground, while the main body is still behind in territory overrun but too large to be effectively occupied, so that there has to be a frequent halt and partial return to the traversed areas for consolidation and advance of the hold on the occupied country and assimilation of its people."

Think, for example, of the "Reagan Revolution" which was, more importantly, an evolution. Unfortunately, the evolution "didn't take," and we're almost back to where we started in Carterville. Why? First, because, as always, the evolution is embattled on all sides by the primitives and barbarians down below, who are animated by hostile cosmic forces they do not understand. But perhaps even more importantly, because we were not worthy of it. No one is more responsible for frittering away the progress of the Reagan Revolution than so-called conservatives themselves, who simply gave the game away to the barbarian hordes. Our foundation was not secure enough.

Thus we await another political "savior." Is Sarah Palin that One? On our side of things, I think that is the source of the energy, whether people are conscious of it or not. Could she be another powerful Reaganesque figure? If so, then that would also explain the roiling energy down below, since, if we look to mythology, all messiahs (again, I use the word in its psychoanalytic sense) must first face the challenge of being strangled in their crib. They must face down Death itself as a preparation for what they will face later, which will be like Death fractured into a million images in a hall of TV networks. One must be able to walk calmly through that vale of Death, because it is ultimately a maze of illusion.

It is quite literally a confrontation with Death, as described, for example, in the Tibetan Book of the Dead -- which is really a Book of Life and how to live it. There we are told that upon (ego) death we will be confronted with the apparitions of every wrathful demon and every seductive illusion. "If the soul is able to perceive the identity between its innate luminosity and the great light of reality, then liberation is achieved" (Perry). This is why the true conservative leader must be religious in the deepest sense, because only a religious person with the protection of grace will be able to walk calmly through this gauntlet. Could you do it? Face down the kind of hatred and viciousness we are seeing, while remaining in your Center?

Make no mistake about it: Sarah Palin is being tested, not just by the left, but by the demonic energy they embody. You will note that their energy is chaotic, disorganized, hysterical, shrill, bullying, harassing, disorienting, intoxicated, "over the top." The only way to make one's way through this storm of insanity is with divine assistance. There is no other way. One must surrender to the higher in order to master the lower.

As always, it all comes back to Batman, doesn't it? Remember his training with the League of Shadows, when he had to walk through the gauntlet of the ninjas, all poised to attack at any moment? At the end is a treasure chest overflowing with his worst fear. Only then, by calmly facing the fear, does he become more than a man. Thus, his fear really is a kind of priceless treasure. The demons serve an evolutionary purpose -- up to a point.

Bruce Wayne takes the primordial fear and chaos of the underworld -- represented by the bats -- and internalizes them to his benefit. The fear still exists, only now he contains it, rather than vice versa. In so doing, he not only masters these demonic forces, but marshals them to his advantage. I have no idea why conservatives do not do the same thing with the hellbats represented by the liberal media. When is someone going to aggressively, relentlessly, and unapologetically shove it back in their hideous faces? When is someone going to take those projections, which are vomited from hell like so many bats, and use the material to assemble an ontological atom bomb?

Perhaps it is fortuitous that John McCain is our candidate, since he has literally been to hell and back. No, not the Hanoi Hilton. Rather, he was once the darling of the barbaric media whordes. Now he is their demon. He, better than anyone else, should now understand that he was treated well so long as he served as a useful idiot for them. He capitulated to them in a way he never did to the Vietnamese, perhaps because they are more seductive and flattering. Does he understand what is going on? I mean, the lesson could not be more vivid. What does he need, a signed affidavit from the Father of Lies that he is under spiritual attack? What else do you call this frenzy? It is designed not just to counter the light, but to exhaust and demoralize. To make people say, Okay, I give up. It's just too much. We'll replace her with Tim Pawlenty.

It is no coincidence that Batman operates out of the subterranean cave beneath civilization, symbolized by Wayne Manor. Not only is he comfortable down in hell, but the very foundations of the mansion are plunged deep into the cavern below. This is a key point: your own evolution will continue to slide back down if you do not have your spiritual foundation planted deep beneath your "southeast corner." I don't care how beautiful your mansion, if it doesn't have a kind of continuity with what is below, it won't survive the coming earthquake.

Remember the image of the advancing army: you had better have the space below occupied by your army, before you try to advance above. Furthermore, you had better maintain a continuous line of communication. The last thing you want to happen is for your expeditionary force to get stranded above, cut off from the supply line. Your growth must be organic, which is to say, internally related on all levels, with no gaps.

Hmm, just received a delightfully over-the-top email from a curious reader. I think you know by now that I am not susceptible to flattery, so you will forgive its extravagant praise of the almighty B'ob. It's just his own energy externalized, anyway. As always, the real superhero is in the heart:

"What in the holy name of Creation are you doing, my good sir? I am sincerely perplexed at the nature of your blog, the complexity of your mind, and the tenacity of your wit, all of which far exceed my abilities of comprehension -- most of the time, anyway.

"Your book and blog have served me a great deal in letting go of my identification with the insanity of unadulterated liberalism, and, more importantly, helped me recognize the impersonal nature of all thought forms as they arise in the vast expanse of my awareness. Nonetheless, I can't seem to grasp from a larger perspective the purpose you serve by playing the role of 'Gagdad Bob,' which I can only assume leaves you with more hate mail than the Vatican after that glorious run of molestation charges earlier this decade.

"Please, let me in on the secret! What is it in my psyche that draws me back to a blog that is such a severe combination of consciousness-tones that it can only remind one of Rachmaninoff orchestrating a piece while under the influence of LSD after spending three months locked in a cell with J. Edgar Hoover, Molly Ringwald, Pat Buchanan, and Mother Theresa. The blog is funny, frightening, poetic, genius, and above all, ballsy. What drives it?"

Easy. I'm B'atman.

87 Comments:

Blogger Ray Ingles said...

You will note that their energy is chaotic, disorganized, hysterical, shrill, bullying, harassing, intoxicated, "over the top."

Thankfully, comparing Obama to the Antichrist is sober and measured. :->

9/03/2008 08:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Petey said...

Proof once again that the secret protects itself.

9/03/2008 08:24:00 AM  
Anonymous slim pickens said...

There is none so blind as a moonbat with its head up its ass.

9/03/2008 08:30:00 AM  
Anonymous Petey said...

Yes. No wonder they suffer from spiritual assphyxia.

9/03/2008 08:38:00 AM  
Blogger julie said...

"As always, it all comes back to Batman, doesn't it?"

Okay, I haven't finished reading yet, but have I told you lately that you're awesome?

Back to reading...

9/03/2008 09:03:00 AM  
Blogger walt said...

Bob Almighty -

You outdid even yourself today!

9/03/2008 09:07:00 AM  
Blogger julie said...

Ho! - I don't know who the reader was, but obviously we're on a similar wavelength.

If you ever decide to change your screen name, B'atman would be an excellent choice.

9/03/2008 09:10:00 AM  
Anonymous Petey said...

When we get more attention, we must ramp up the weirdness factor in order to drive away the unworthy.

9/03/2008 09:12:00 AM  
Blogger mushroom said...

This reminds me of Chesterton's introduction to Greville MacDonald's memoirs of his father.

There is - something not only imaginative but intimately true about the idea of the goblins being below the house and capable of besieging it from the cellars When the evil things besieging us do appear, they do not appear outside but inside.

9/03/2008 09:45:00 AM  
Blogger mushroom said...

Our work is not political per se. For us, there can be no political solution. Rather, nothing short of a transformation of consciousness can alter the present course of history.


So true.

Furthermore, you had better maintain a continuous line of communication.

Which is, of course, why we B'ob up here everyday.

Well, that and 00gling the coon-chicks.

9/03/2008 09:54:00 AM  
Blogger Niggardly Phil said...

http://time-blog.com/real_clear_politics/2008/09/more_nazi_talk.html

Nazis nazis everywhere! Good thing Jesse clarified which Hermann Goering he was referring to. Dolt.


KING: Yes, wasn't that surprising, Jesse, even though you didn't see it, that the theme was "we're the patriots"?

VENTURA: Well, you know, the Republicans have been pushing really Hermann Goering on us, the Nazi, since 2001. I mean, you know...

KING: Hermann Goering?

VENTURA: Yes. He said that it's easy to take a country to war. You have to convince them they're under attack. Denounce the pacifist for being unpatriotic and also for putting the country into danger. And yet, Thomas Jefferson said dissension is the greatest form of patriotism.

I like to follow the teachings of Thomas Jefferson a little bit more than Herman Goering.

KING: D.L., are you...

HUGHLEY: To follow...

KING: I'm sorry.

HUGHLEY: To follow up on what Jesse was saying, it did remind me -- I promise you, the first thing I thought when I saw those "Country First" signs, it reminded me of Nazis. It really -- I mean they just seemed so, you know -- that seemed to be a country that I don't recognize.

9/03/2008 10:08:00 AM  
Blogger Van said...

"a severe combination of consciousness-tones that it can only remind one of Rachmaninoff orchestrating a piece while under the influence of LSD after spending three months locked in a cell with J. Edgar Hoover, Molly Ringwald, Pat Buchanan, and Mother Theresa. The blog is funny, frightening, poetic, genius, and above all, ballsy. What drives it?"

Easy. I'm B'atman. "

Yeahhh!

slim pickens said... "There is none so blind as a moonbat with its head up its ass."

B'atman vs b'utmon... Who ya guano call?

;-)

9/03/2008 10:32:00 AM  
Blogger Van said...

"Thus we await another political "savior." Is Sarah Palin that One? On our side of things, I think that is the source of the energy, whether people are conscious of it or not. Could she be another powerful Reaganesque figure? If so, then that would also explain the roiling energy down below, since, if we look to mythology, all messiahs (again, I use the word in its psychoanalytic sense) must first face the challenge of being strangled in their crib."

Who knows how it will develop, but isn't it interesting that we have two people who have fired up two polar opposite peoples, based upon little or no information about them? I mean, when you come down to it, we, certainly I, don't know much of anything about Sarah Palin, but based upon the sense of life that leaps out of the surface of her life story, I was jazzed within minutes of hearing it! Something interesting going on there.

I put up a post earlier, Sarah Palin: Teddy Roosevelt in a skirt?, to begin tracking the unique situation she puts forth - someone I had never heard of a few days ago, has managed to get me interested in voting for someone that just a few months ago, I'd said I never would even consider. Very interesting situation indeed. From my post,

"However, and keep in mind I really know nothing about her yet, beyond what I've just typed here, Teddy Roosevelt, while exhibiting admirable personal characteristics, either began, enacted, or floated a trial balloon for ever harmful action our Gov't has taken from the beginning of the twentieth century through to today. Trust Busting, intervention in the economy, tossing aside the constitution, damning property rights, creating all powerful Gov't agencies, unwarranted int'l interventionism... you name it, and TR had a hand in it somewhere along the line.

"Teddy Roosevelt in a skirt!"

Careful ladies and gents, disaster often comes upon us while we're busy looking for it from another direction. I deeply hope to be proved completely wrong in my caution, and am looking forward to it... but better to have it and be proved wrong, than not and be proved dead."


Sarah Palin has definitely charged up the Conservative base, and myself too... I'm just leery of how I'm undeniably feeling it to, with little or no substantial info to go on. I think you are right on with this though,

"This is why the true conservative leader must be religious in the deepest sense, because only a religious person with the protection of grace will be able to walk calmly through this gauntlet."

, that provides the anchor for the enthusiasm - there are boundaries that contain where that enthusiasm will be trusted to lead, whereas obamama is unbounded by anything but the size of the brassiere he says he can fill.

I'm pretty darn sure Sarah would do a much better job filling the... job.

;-)

9/03/2008 11:02:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

In retrospect Bob, I'm sure the liberal version of you was writing the same thing about Obama a few months ago, and Ray Ingles brings up a good point.

I have to point out how absurd it is that Repubs even try to convince themselves she's a good candidate, when the obvious things pop up all over. This isn't even a left vs right issue, this is a Left and Right vs Extreme right issue, supporting a candidate who is simply embarrassing. People talk about her executive experience in a state with 700,000 people, where she really hasn't made a decision that even affects anything on a national level, has never made a single military decision, and talk all you want about it she couldn't go around the world and garner the same respect Obama gets. Maybe that's not important, but maybe that's one of the problems with a few Americans. But "executive experience" is merely rhetoric, because just like when people talk about Obama, if you can't back it up, you're just talk, and all Palin can say is she was a governor, and that's about all she can say.

9/03/2008 11:13:00 AM  
Blogger Van said...

Peggy Noonan has a good rambler today (TW WitNit's 'A Clear and Present Danger to the Left'),

"This is true: fact is king. Information is king. Great reporting is what every honest person wants now, it's the one ironic thing we have less of in journalism than we need. But reporting that carries an agenda, that carries Bubblehead assumptions and puts them forth as obvious truths? Well, some people want that. But if I were doing a business model for broadsheets and broadcast networks I'd say: Fact and data are our product, we're putting everything into reporting, that's what we're selling, interpretation is the reader's job, and think pieces are for the edit page where we put the hardy, blabby hacks.

That was a long way of saying: Dig deep into Sarah Palin, get all you can, talk to everybody, get every vote, every quote, tell us of her career and life, she may be the next vice president. But don't play games. And leave her kid alone, bitch."

Peggy does have a way with words.

9/03/2008 11:13:00 AM  
Blogger Van said...

aninnymouse said "she couldn't go around the world and garner the same respect Obama gets."

Wouldn't.

"she really hasn't made a decision that even affects anything on a national level"

Doofus - if you're talking about Executive decisions, neither has anyone else - that's POTUS's job. The closest you get to it, is ... not in the senate... or the house... not even the speaker... but as a Governor. You sure as hell don't get it as a community organizer or spending a few mo's in the senate before concluding you're fully prepared for being POTUS.

BTW, care to guess how many years of experience Teddy Roosevelt had as Gov. before being tapped as McKinley's VP?

9/03/2008 11:21:00 AM  
Blogger Gagdad Bob said...

Just heard a bit of an interview with David Brooks on Dennis Prager. He said his parents were hippies who once took him to a "be-in" when he was around five years old. All of the hippies were throwing their money into a fire in a trash can, to demonstrate how much they didn't care about money. Brooks reached in when no one was looking, and pulled out a five dollar bill. He says that that was his first lurch rightward.

9/03/2008 11:23:00 AM  
Blogger walt said...

"...the acquisition of humanness was not merely an evolutionary ascent. Rather, it simultaneously -- and necessarily -- involved opening up a space which was lower than the beasts. This is why man and only man can be higher or lower than an animal, depending upon the choices he makes."

Seems to me that one of our biggest strategic errors is assuming that when we are not climbing that we are not falling, i.e. that we have plenty of time and that individual choices aren't too significant.

With that strategy, we can "afford" to indulge in political ergs, and tangle ourselves in webs of lies, like it won't affect our higher aspirations.

I say "we" and "our" because I see others doing this; I can say it because I, myself, make this error.

You asked, "Could you stay in your Center?" Ho!
And also, ha-ha: Can I stay in my Center, at all?

9/03/2008 11:27:00 AM  
Anonymous Cousin dupree said...

Seriously, look at the two candidates. One is a good-looking but superficial bimbo with an empty head and no accomplishments. The other kills her own food while running a state and raising a family.

9/03/2008 11:40:00 AM  
Anonymous ximeze said...

"she couldn't go around the world and garner the same respect Obama gets."

thankyoujesus0000000001000000000000000000

Damnit Beaky, will ya get off the keyboard

9/03/2008 11:42:00 AM  
Blogger Gagdad Bob said...

The worst thing is, she didn't kill her baby and offer a human sacrifice to the devouring gods of feminism. Thus, her success is a kind of promethian power grab, against all feminist protocol. The hubris.

9/03/2008 11:56:00 AM  
Anonymous will said...

>>When is someone going to aggressively, relentlessly, and unapologetically shove it back in their hideous faces?<<

As soon as we, the white hats, understand that this clash has meta-dimensions, that it is a clash between good and evil, and that it is a fight to the death. This means getting past the Bush syndrome. I think Bush Jr. came into office wanting to be Eisenhower in an age of peace 'n plenty, and though he and the rest of us were rudely awakened by 9/11, our current prez has never really let go of his Eisenhower dream. Consequently he let the attack dog Left viciously flail him for about 4 years., "Bush lied/people died, Halliburton, blood for oil", etc. Bush never came up with any kind of meaningful response.

It's like Giuliani's touted "broken windows" theory - if you don't crack down on graffiti-crowd, the loiterers, panhandlers, malicious mischief-types, then the law-abiding public grows demoralized, inert. The criminals *win*, virtually by default. Bush didn't crack down and consequently the criminal element became emboldened, yea, hysterical ,while conservatives became relatively inert.

As for the elder Bush, fuggetaboutit - in favor of butt-kissing the UN, he let Saddam off the hook, he encouraged the Kurds to rise up, telling them we'd support them. They did, Bush the Elder didn't, Kurds got slaughtered. Overall, Bush Sr. was a monumental twit as a president, a betrayer of his predecessor's ideals.

Bush Jr., I will say, is not quite as hollow as his father, and history will probably Truman-ize him to the degree that he deserves it, but . . . his rope-a-dope strategy, if that's what it was, failed spectacularly. I suspect his unwillingness to take to the bully pulpit and defend himself was a result of how he interprets his Christian belief.

Thing is: yes, evil has to be transcended, it is useless to fight evil on evil's own plane, but this doesn't translate as refusing to fight it all together or simply ignoring it in the hopes that it will die for lack of attention.

I have no idea if McCain has meta-awareness of evil. It wouldn't surprise me, given his personal history, if he did, whether he'd think of it that way or not. But he does seem to have a healthy sense of righteous "fight back" anger and perhaps that's the best we can hope for now.

9/03/2008 12:03:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

aninnymouse said "she couldn't go around the world and garner the same respect Obama gets."

Wouldn't.

--How is that good? Yes lets just ignore the world, you know, the one we deal with every day.

"she really hasn't made a decision that even affects anything on a national level"

Doofus - if you're talking about Executive decisions, neither has anyone else - that's POTUS's job. The closest you get to it, is ... not in the senate... or the house... not even the speaker... but as a Governor. You sure as hell don't get it as a community organizer or spending a few mo's in the senate before concluding you're fully prepared for being POTUS.

Doofus, you missed the point of my argument. But ok, when you actually get to pointing out what her experience is(you don't need to though we all know it) do you honestly think that the few decisions she's messed up on count? Like, the bridge, and her indebted city(which now has a hokey park at least!) Or that road she built with the money for the bridge that she didn't end up building? I mean, c'mon, you're talking like she's accomplished something by being in office. Yah, governor alright.


BTW, care to guess how many years of experience Teddy Roosevelt had as Gov. before being tapped as McKinley's VP?

What about the entire political experience of other presidents. I mean, you're talking guys with only 2 or 4 years in the senate making out to be some great presidents, and when looking at Obama it's a problem having a short career, but now you justify it with Palin, what because being the governor of a population a few mayors are qualified for has given you what you need to run as a VP? I think it's naive to look at the level of governance over what she governs.

9/03/2008 12:08:00 PM  
Blogger Gagdad Bob said...

If Palin had wanted to keep her daughter's pregnancy a secret, she should have leaked to the Times that the father is an unrepentant terrorist.

9/03/2008 12:10:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

"I have no idea if McCain has meta-awareness of evil. It wouldn't surprise me, given his personal history, if he did, whether he'd think of it that way or not. But he does seem to have a healthy sense of righteous "fight back" anger and perhaps that's the best we can hope for now."

Righteous? When Bounds was asked to name one thing Palin has accomplished, and Bounds couldn't name one, McCain whined to CNN and said he would do an interview with Larry King. Yet Obama put up with that for months from all the media.

McCain was once a righteous man, I thoroughly believe he was, but he is not the same man he was even 5 years ago. He used to stand up to people, now he changes his mind every time somebody holding his strings gets upset. He pouts, throws tantrums, and can't go anywhere without his collection of lucky trinkets.

9/03/2008 12:15:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Eh, Palin's daughter isn't even a serious issue it's dumb that's even a talking point.

9/03/2008 12:16:00 PM  
Blogger Gagdad Bob said...

Obama has been through the fire. For three years, he has been subjected to the media's unprecedented and relentless cushy pillows.

9/03/2008 12:19:00 PM  
Blogger Van said...

This one,
"For us, there can be no political solution. Rather, nothing short of a transformation of consciousness can alter the present course of history. History is not just a horizontal stream of time, being that it is composed of humans (and cultures) of differing developmental -- which is to say, vertical -- levels. "

soooo goes together with this one,

"No one is more responsible for frittering away the progress of the Reagan Revolution than so-called conservatives themselves, who simply gave the game away to the barbarian hordes. Our foundation was not secure enough."

As we were talking about at the end of yesterday, the shallow understanding the left has of philosophic and economic matters guarantees the mayhem they have and do unleash. But the only slightly deeper understanding the conservatives (and that mostly from the Religious end), leaves us little better prepared to defend what America is and Means.

Truth and Liberty can't be defended through ignorance and Gov't controls, no matter the motive.

It's going to take real Education in our history and the Ideas which formed it (from above). The best turn our leaders can do for us, is to emphasize that - not trying to formulate a new 'no child left de-mined' program, that will only deepen the mire, but that our faux edumacation is killing us, and only a proper (full) Education will enable us to lift ourselves back up. Just as a top down Gov't direction of the economy destroys wealth, a top down Gov't direction of Education, destroys wisdom.

Get Education back into the hands of the Educators - Parents and True Teachers - and even then, it is vital that the message is conveyed that Education is NOT to help you get a job – as with most leftie selling points, that is a secondary issue, and elevated to a primary concern will destroy Education just as surely as will Gov’t controls – but with the message that a good Education is vital to your Life, your Liberty and your Happiness - our future depends upon it.

9/03/2008 12:20:00 PM  
Blogger walt said...

Good distinctions, Will. Yes, yes, and yes, from this corner.

Ha-ha, sober and measured, too. And that's all-important.

9/03/2008 12:21:00 PM  
Blogger Van said...

Will said "It's like Giuliani's touted "broken windows" theory - if you don't crack down on graffiti-crowd, the loiterers, panhandlers, malicious mischief-types, then the law-abiding public grows demoralized, inert. The criminals *win*, virtually by default. Bush didn't crack down and consequently the criminal element became emboldened, yea, hysterical ,while conservatives became relatively inert."

Bullseye!

9/03/2008 12:22:00 PM  
Blogger Van said...

Will said "As for the elder Bush, fuggetaboutit - in favor of butt-kissing the UN, he let Saddam off the hook, he encouraged the Kurds to rise up, telling them we'd support them. They did, Bush the Elder didn't, Kurds got slaughtered. Overall, Bush Sr. was a monumental twit as a president, a betrayer of his predecessor's ideals."

And something I think was paid too little attention to, then and now, Bush Sr.'s response to the ayatollah's threats to our book stores and publishers, to damage, destroy or kill anybody daring to publish or sell the Salman Rushdie's ''Satanic Verses". Whether or not the book had any more value than toilet paper is utterly beside the point. The point was and is, which we missed, and they didn't, was that a foreign dictator threatened our First Amendment Rights, and the Gov't offered only the weakest of 'condemnations' in return. The B-52's should have flocked to Iran before blood on their fatwah was dry.

That shortened the fuse and boosted the explosion that followed into today.

9/03/2008 12:38:00 PM  
Blogger Van said...

aninnymouse said "Doofus, you missed the point of my argument. But ok, when you actually get to pointing out what her experience is(you don't need to though we all know it) do you honestly think "

Doofus, you missed the point again (you know Ray?). Yes I do honestly think. If you honestly did, or at least read, you'd notice that just a few inches above I already pointed out, and linked to my post where I elaborate, that we, I, know next to nothing about her to any substantial degree. I recognize that, and will remedy the situation one way or another, soon. The obamama's have yet to recognize, remedy or acknowledge that they are touting their One based upon absolutely nothing, and trying to present that nothing, as EXPERIENCE, and then trying to put down someone with actual experience (how in depth or significant, we have yet to learn) to examine, as being Inexperienced.

See Slim Pickens comment above, I believe you'll find it will fit you as well.

9/03/2008 12:53:00 PM  
Blogger julie said...

(With apologies to Bob for the diversion and continued flogging, there's a new post at the slacketeria. As I said to Robin yesterday, this idea latched into my head last Thursday, and no matter how much I try to reason with it, it refuses to go away. So I'm passing along the tenacity.)

And now, back to the regularly unscheduled coonversation...

9/03/2008 01:13:00 PM  
Anonymous Joseph said...

Bob,
Off topic as usual, but I noticed that you for a bit had Peter Kingsley's book, Reality, downloading into your melon. What did you think?

9/03/2008 01:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ok, Van, I made the first statement, you argued against something I wasn't even talking about, then I point that out, and you say I missed it again? I couldn't have missed it "again," and you argued for exactly what I was stating. What exactly is your issue with what I said? Because from what it sounds like, your disagreeing with what you think I should be saying, when what you disagree with, is what I agree with. Does it not seem contextual when I point out the hypocrisy of pointing to Palin's lack of experience against Obamas, meaning I submit that the experience issue is a problem for both sides an neither has leverage on the other at this point in that field.

9/03/2008 02:15:00 PM  
Anonymous FACT said...

Sarah Palin scares me. I did some digging and I found these little know facts about her. If even one of these is true, she represents a greater threat to our country than Chuck Norris.

In the original version, He-Man had the power of Sarah Palin, but the writers felt this would make him way too powerful.

Sarah Palin once bit the head off a live Osprey snatched from the air as it tried to fly off with a fish she caught.

Sarah Palin is actually Kaiser Soze.

Sarah Palin uses French Canadians as bait to catch giant king salmon.

Sarah Palin's finishing move in the VP debate will be pulling Biden's still beating heart from his chest & taking a bite.

Sarah Palin secretly runs Mashable as a way to keep tabs on the rest of us.
Sarah Palin once won a competitive eating contest by devouring three live caribou.

Sarah Palin will pry your Klondike bar from your cold dead fingers.

Sarah Palin doesn't need a gun to hunt. She has been known to throw a bullet through an adult bull elk.

Sarah Palin drives a Zamboni to work.

Sarah Palin was kicked off Survivor for killing a man and eating his entrails.

Sarah Palin poses more danger of creating world-destroying black holes than the Large Hadron Collidor.

Sarah Palin got Tom Brady pregnant, and then left him.

Sarah Palin will give birth to the man who will lead humanity's war against the machines.

9/03/2008 02:15:00 PM  
Blogger Gagdad Bob said...

Joseph:

I never actually got around to reading it. I ordered it, the seller was out of stock, and then I got backed up with other books and more urgent topics. Currently reading Mark Perry's On Awakening & Remembering: To Know is to Be, and so far it is terrific. He's the son of Whitall Perry, and the apple seems to have not fallen far from the tree.

9/03/2008 02:17:00 PM  
Blogger walt said...

And you, Joseph? Any opinion about the book?

9/03/2008 02:21:00 PM  
Blogger Van said...

ninny - you missed the points before you even began typing, and you think you can catch them afterwards by pointing to where you thought the points you missed were pointing before they hit where you missed the point at?

Sheesh.

FACT - "Sarah Palin will give birth to the man who will lead humanity's war against the machines."

If her maiden name was Connor... I buy it. Definitely.

9/03/2008 02:30:00 PM  
Blogger Ricky Raccoon said...

…this just in…

Fido, throw these on the bumper of B’atman’s cosmic bus and see who salutes:

“My Veep’s resume is better looking than your Mimbo”

“My conservative Queen beats your phony joker every time”

9/03/2008 03:00:00 PM  
Blogger julie said...

I notice that the Perry book has a similar review profile to Reality; people give it either a 5 or a 1. Those who give it a 1 sound remarkably like many of our trolls.

"Alas, pluralists, religious liberals, democrats, lovers of freedom of thought and tolerance need not apply."

Sounds like good reading to me, then ;)

9/03/2008 03:27:00 PM  
Blogger Gagdad Bob said...

The Traditionalists are conservative and therefore much hated by the left. I'm only up to p. 68, but so far the book is wonderful. The author has that palpable luminosity and exactitude I always look for.

9/03/2008 03:32:00 PM  
Anonymous chandler said...

Bob,

Now these last two blogs are so GREAT that I am sending them all around to friends.....THIS, if you could see it, is a book, this very theme that captures the liberal tantrum with Homeric poetry that will last a thousand years. You are either Lance or Galahad defending this fair lady....not that she can't also defend herself which drives liberals nuts. Because I was once a liberal myself, it's fun to be able to travel back (speak, memory) to feel their current pain.

You Bob are a light unto my feet.

9/03/2008 03:34:00 PM  
Anonymous ximeze said...

Will said:
"Bush didn't crack down and consequently the criminal element became emboldened, yea, hysterical, while conservatives became relatively inert."

"I suspect his unwillingness to take to the bully pulpit and defend himself was a result of how he interprets his Christian belief."

Commendable, on a metaphysical level. Problem is: to the world, it makes a POTUS look weak & an easy target.

Spegler, in today's item has the following observation:

"American voters are not intellectual, but they are shrewd, like animals. They can smell insecurity...
America's voters will forgive many things in a politician, including sexual misconduct, but they will not forgive weakness."

W looked in Putin's eyes & got 'a sense of his soul'. McCain looks & sees three letters: KGB. Contemplative-hopeful vs menace-defense.

I'm musing on whether the explosive energy released last Friday with the Palin pick, is in fact just evidence of the turbulence created by a shift from a 'contractive' to an 'expansive' mode: a la 'polar/magnetic shift'.

Here's the working logic template: Reagan was expansive in language & policy - a spiral opening out & up. H Bush starts the pull-in reversal, Bubba's vortex speeds the suck-in, W Bush deals with 911 & the WOT while weakly allowing scofflaws to over-run the nation & permitting endless bites out of his flesh.

Pretty much all of the 'messages' since Reagan have been contractive: recycle, don't drill, no new dams, no new power, crisis, emergency, the sky is falling, the world is coming to an end, repent sinners, America if finish! Accept, tolerate, accommodate, racistfascisthomophobe!

The American public has been bouncing up & down for years in frustration over the ever-tightening pressure. We've been asked to stand immobile over a veritable feast, with arms at our sides, touch nothing & go hungry in the presence of plenty. Enough Already!

We saw a momentary flare-out with the sack of Congress in '06. Those do-nothing replacements just made the situation worse.

Obambi picked up the mood with his 'hope', 'change' & 'yes we can' canards. However expansive those words are, he & his cohorts actually promise to deliver further 'tightening'(besides, who wants to look at a corrosive angry bitch for the next 4 years) There's a congitive dissonance he can't overcome.

I source the first breeze of the coming hurricane at the moment when Pelosi shut down the House & went on vacation, leaving the so-called Gorilla Congress to be like True Raccoons, act-up & totally get in the face of The Man. The Public loved it! More! More! More!

You want hope? You want change? You want Yes We Can? Presenting Hurricane Sarah, sure to blow through and upset every damn apple-cart. Screw the weenies, we're here to clean house!

I'm think'n it's the out & up spiral possibility-factor that is so attractive about the McC/P ticket. Reversing that in & down, perpetual victim, nation of weakling & perverts Oprah crap that's held sway since Reagan left the scene.

About F'n time too.

9/03/2008 04:45:00 PM  
Anonymous Joseph said...

Walt,

I very much enjoyed Kingsley's first two books, especially, In the Dark Places of Wisdom. I have a few of his audio lectures and they are very interesting. Reality, however, I started and had trouble finishing. His style is so strange. I think he is on to something, however, and he is the first one that I know of to suggest to me that Sufism actually has roots in a mystical Greek tradition that went underground.
When I saw Bob was pretending to read it:), I thought maybe I should give it another go.

9/03/2008 05:18:00 PM  
Anonymous Joseph said...

Bob,
I have read Mark Perry's book. It is great, super dense. I love some of the reviews of it on Amazon. Something like, if you find the inquisition spiritually uplifting, you'll love this book!

9/03/2008 05:20:00 PM  
Blogger walt said...

Joseph,

Thanks for the reply. FWIW, this was my impression:

I can't say too much about the historical aspects. And he does have an unusual style.

However, there are certain passages in the book that I thought were . . . well, beyond interesting, and very useful. And I thought the last 50 pages were the best, and worth getting to.

When I finished reading it, I wondered, "Was all that necessary?" On the other hand, the book's length allows time for the ideas to settle in.

9/03/2008 05:29:00 PM  
Anonymous joseph said...

That settles it Walt, its off the shelf and into my frying hands.

9/03/2008 05:46:00 PM  
Blogger walt said...

And "dense" is a good word to describe Perry's book! That book requires some serious highlighting!

Identifying the eighth cardinal sin as "stupidity" was precise. By his formulations, I have sinned . . . .

9/03/2008 05:53:00 PM  
Anonymous skippy said...

We all know that the MSM has been deeply complicit in Bush Derangement Syndrome. The level of insanity in the land is pretty scary. Last week over dinner a man I had somewhat respected revealed himself to be a raving moonbat. It's like some sort of B movie horror-flick where supporting actor is revealed to be a flesh-eating alien -- shocking.

This dude assured me that the economy has been totally trashed by Bush through his relentless quest for bloody oil or oily blood or some such twaddle. I was supposed to swallow the idea that the economy had collapsed since 2000. I'm sure a qualified shrink like B'ob has some label for this, but to me it is walking insanity.

But what about the reverse? If the MSM can convince ordinary people that times have never, ever been worse, then what's to stop them from launching propaganda designed to cover up the fact that President Obama's Green Surge Plan '10 has in fact severely damaged the US economy? The Soviets were masters at this game. Disinformation was absolutely essential, as it is in China today.

The evil inherent in the MSM cuts both ways: grossly exaggerate or simply invent trauma that isn't there (bad) AND suppress, minimize and cover up real trauma (much worse!)

It does indeed smell like a fight to the death sooner or later...

That much we all know.

But what about the

9/03/2008 06:14:00 PM  
Anonymous skippy said...

aw, that's enough of that. Time for some Xbox Madden and a beer.

9/03/2008 06:17:00 PM  
Blogger julie said...

Palin Dodges Tough Questions About Existence of "Alaska"

9/03/2008 06:26:00 PM  
Blogger Aloysius said...

Peggy Noonan and an RNC insider were caught on open mike dissing Palin today.
Some of the RNC are to the DNC as the defense bar is to the plaintiff's bar -- dependent. They hate outsiders who want integrity because it breaks up the cozy little thing. Noonan is a jealous old windbag.

9/03/2008 06:27:00 PM  
Anonymous will said...

Xims -

>>Commendable, on a metaphysical level. Problem is: to the world, it makes a POTUS look weak & an easy target<<

No, I don't think it's commendable on any level. Any show of inertia of the sort Bush displayed re his Leftist critics cannot derive from a meta-awareness, only from a bloodless, pacifist form of Christianity or a new agey Ghandi-ism. Or maybe Bush is just that kinda guy, too genial for his, or our, own good.

Whatever the case, it was a HUGE mistake on his part.

9/03/2008 06:52:00 PM  
Blogger Gagdad Bob said...

I've never liked Peggy Noonan. So many Republicans are just such mediocrities. It's no wonder the liberal media can shove them around so easily. They always forget to be as wise as serpents.

9/03/2008 06:56:00 PM  
Anonymous Djadja said...

ximeze, your description of the political energies loose in this country as either opening or contracting spirals is a very astute metaphoric framework. Nice!

9/03/2008 07:09:00 PM  
Anonymous will said...

>>They must face down Death itself as a preparation for what they will face later, which will be like Death fractured into a million images in a hall of TV networks<<

Is like the mythic/symbolic process of having one's body torn apart (Osiris myth, eg.)in order to be reborn as a new spiritual being. Only here the tearing apart is done by the media jackals, in images.

A blessed rebirth to you, Sarah, and get 'em.

9/03/2008 07:14:00 PM  
Blogger julie said...

(Okay, I'm wandering off-topic again, but this is just too catchy not to share.

I swear, those frickin' monkeys are just running riot in my brain lately. Perhaps it's time to summon Mzungu...)

9/03/2008 07:15:00 PM  
Anonymous jwm said...

Will- That was a superb assessment of GWB's presidency.
When I got home this afternoon, from out on the porch I could hear some bunch of women on TV viciously slagging one of their own over some god-awful transgression or other. Nothing unusual there. My mother lives on daytime TV: Maury, Jerry, Dr. Phil- all of that crap.
I couldn't quite hear what anyone was saying, but the raw nastiness in tone was so apparent that it came through without having to hear the words. The venom just poured out of the speakers and puddled up on the floor. Somehow I just knew they were talking about Sarah Palin.
It was MSN, or CNN, or CBS, and they were talking about Palin.
You'd think after four years of rabid hatred for Bush they'd be tired out. They're just getting warmed up. This is the tent revival for their religion.

JWM

9/03/2008 07:49:00 PM  
Blogger Van said...

Sarah Palin:"Before I was Gov. of the great state of Alaska, I was Mayor of my home town... and since our opponents in the Presidential election seem to look down on that experience, let me explain to them what the job involves. I guess... I guess a small town mayor is sort of like a 'community organizer'... except that you have actual responsibilities"
(Crowd goes WILD)

That... ladies and gents... is the sound of the leftist's lunch being eaten.

God I love good comedy!

9/03/2008 07:58:00 PM  
Anonymous jwm said...

Politics may be religion for the left, But Sarah sounds like a capital G Genuine Crusader.
That.
Was.
Hot.

JWM

9/03/2008 08:19:00 PM  
Blogger Van said...

As I just replied to Mushroom on my site, her speech delivered, with all the best connotations of the Man and the phrase, Teddy Roosevelt in a Skirt!

As TR might say,
BULLY!

9/03/2008 08:41:00 PM  
Anonymous Alan said...

Sarah's speechmaking advice to Obama: It is easier to be plainspoken and clear when you don't have to keep lying.

Before the speech, I told a friend I've never been more sure of the forces of light and dark dividing this country.

Can't wait to see the press' bilious reaction - Regan's response to the exorcist will seem calm in comparison.

9/03/2008 08:55:00 PM  
Anonymous will said...

Sarah Palin . . . I love you . . . (wiping away copious tears) . . . Sarah Palin . . . (bawling out at top of lungs) . . . I WANT TO BEAR YOUR CHILDREN!!*

*credit to Lola Heatherton

9/03/2008 09:34:00 PM  
Anonymous ximeze said...

Will,
'Contemptible' was my real take, but I was trying to be less bitchy than usual.

Point taken.

****************

Djadja,
Must give credit where credit is due: the spiral stuff comes via Dear Leader, Will & other Raccoons quite a few moon-cycles back. Somewhere in Gnowa's Arkive are some truly blow-away-awesome 'Spiral' posts. Remember them as 'allrightythen, now my head is going to explode' awesome. Blog search function anyone?

9/03/2008 10:42:00 PM  
Blogger USS Ben USN (Ret) said...

Skully cried his eyelashes out after listening to Sarah.
He's now busy trying to create a Palin lager in honor of his new love.

9/04/2008 01:45:00 AM  
Blogger USS Ben USN (Ret) said...

One part Reagan, one part Thatcher, and one part Teddy R.!

Whenever the democrats, or their lapdogs in the MSM tried to respond I only heard "game over man...game over!" :^)

Olberman called Palin "snide".
Someone else called her snarky, which is true, but she used a funny, mockingsnark, which is a Raccoon tactic!

I'd much rather have the incredibly funny mockingsnark of Sarah Palin than the stuck up, elitist, (my fart smells good) snobbery of Barrack Obama any time!

That's sorta why Sarah reminds me of Reagan. Reagan was a master at humorous snarks that didn't come across as hateful or mean-spirited.
And they were very effective.

This is something that GW just couldn't do well, or perhaps, like Will said, it was against his Religion or somethin'.

During Bush's first term, he at least was snarky enough (not often but just enough) to keep the base interested, but during his second term he just...stopped, and moved to the left in many areas.

I still think Bush was/is much better than Gore or Kerry would've been, but I do wonder what happened after his first term to turn him into a Ghandi-like President, irt the MSM and the donks.

I wasn't relishing voting for John McCain, but he seems to have gotten better, or more conservative (although that could be an act). Still, John is better than Obama.

But after he picked Palin, well, now I'm gonna vote for them and I'm gonna like it!
Palin just...resonates with me!
I get all tingly inside.

Seriously, I am, more excited and hopeful than I have been in a long time (politically speaking).

And, unlike Obama, Palin offers much more than empty hope...she offers substance and a return to the principles that make our country great!

Sure, there are a few minor things I don't like about Palin, and I stress minor, but overall she is about as good as it gets!
And I don't think she's gonna back down from nobody! Ha ha!

9/04/2008 02:08:00 AM  
Blogger walt said...

Hold on there, Buckaroos!

Not everyone liked Mrs. Palin. For instance, here's a reaction from a concerned citizen at The New Republic's website:

"I found her demeanour to be insufferably smug, and wondered what it was about her that so irritated me. Then I realized: she's W. in drag. She exhibited all the W. traits I have come to know and hate except the swagger. She is a lightweight who is so lightweight she either does not know it or revels in it..."

Indeed.
Sarah = Bush. It had to be said.

9/04/2008 04:13:00 AM  
Blogger USS Ben USN (Ret) said...

New Republic commenter = idiot.
Whatta paranoid buffoon.
It had to be said. :^)

9/04/2008 04:57:00 AM  
Blogger Ricky Raccoon said...

RE Palin, not that this should matter but, I couldn’t help noticing…she was so very calm right from the moment she walked on the stage to give the speech of her life. Spoke incredibly smooth and clearly. No disrespect, but if you saw the Governor of Hawaii speak before her, you know what I’m talking about.

Who didn’t actually laugh out loud with the lipstick joke? …and identify with the genuine “I love my guy.” She was warm and tough, just as I heard she was.

Looney libs: There is nothing to not like about her. Move on. You had your chances to prop up a Real Woman and you blew it. Now we are to believe we should prefer by our own standards someone better than Mrs. Palin. Yes. Keep pretending we love the Pelosi or the Hillary or the Michelle.

MSM: this is going to backfire. Obviously I’m speaking from a man’s perspective but, won’t the real women, real mothers trying to raise good families (and there are still, thank God so many of them in this country) will identify with her? I think it trancends "party." Especially the ones who don’t take any crap – like my all so beautiful wife. You hit her, you hit them. The best thing you can do now is to give her as little air-time as possible. But you’ll blow that too ‘cause you can’t hold it in.

9/04/2008 05:20:00 AM  
Anonymous Loony lib said...

Yeah, I like her ‘n all, but I was really hoping she was pro-infanticide so…

9/04/2008 05:22:00 AM  
Blogger Ricky Raccoon said...

“Skully cried his eyelashes out…”

Oh Ben…that was laugh out loud! Now you have me crying in my coffee (sniff)
What is this salty discharge?

9/04/2008 05:29:00 AM  
Blogger USS Ben USN (Ret) said...

Well said, Rick! I cooncur!
You see, Oprah cried her fake eyelashes off when her god Obama spoke in his styrofoam colliseum.

Skully cried his eyelashes out, real ones, mind you, 'cause his goddess of righteousness is way more powerful than the leftist god of empty hopium.

Compared to Sarahcuda, Obamaboy is just a wog. :^)

9/04/2008 05:41:00 AM  
Blogger ge said...

Astrological insights into the political life:
your McCain is a Virgo, better for SERVING as President than the Leo Obama [think Bill Clinton, AND Monica Lewinsky]...* The Reagan comparison for Sarah P.? Both are Aquarian-outsider-rebels!

Something before I go: the last 16 years the White House has been hostessed by 2 Scorpios: Hillary & Laura
====================
* cool Leos include Jung, Duchamp, Jagger...Warhol

9/04/2008 05:58:00 AM  
Anonymous Skully said...

I had somethin' in my eyes, dammit!

BTW, I liked what Rudy said:
"Change is not a destination and (empty) hope is not a strategy."

We gots quality in milady Sarah!
And she's got more balls than the entire democratic party! Ho!

9/04/2008 06:05:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Actually, she was rather snooty, and most people gave her an F for her sarcasm. Instead of being mostly positive, she was mostly negative. She also twisted the truth in a lot of issues, and people are calling her out on it.

And if you haven't seen Jon Stewart's piece on the hypocrisy of the right regarding Palin, well you definitely should, especially the part with Karl Rove.

Its not just liberals who have a problem with Palin, it's anybody who actually has more concern for their country than their party. Get over it hardcore Repubs.

9/04/2008 06:07:00 AM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Actually, Obama's speech was rather good, whether or not you like him. Palin's was sort'a controversial, but isn't the VP supposed to be a little more offensive than the Presidential nominee?

9/04/2008 06:11:00 AM  
Blogger Van said...

aninnymouse said "She also twisted the truth "

How would you know?

"Its not just liberals who have a problem with Palin, it's anybody who actually has more concern for their country than their party. Get over it hardcore Repubs."

And That, Ladies and Gents, is the sound of fear, fear coming from a deep and forgotten place.

Welcome to a changed game libtards.

Bwah! Ha-hahehoha-Hoo-Rah!

9/04/2008 06:14:00 AM  
Anonymous Skully said...

Anon-
You're just upset 'cause yer boys got their asses whooped on national tv! LOL!

Your feeble attempt to take Republican principles and reverse them is really pathetic.

That will convince the PUMA's that Obama ain't sexist, right?
Funny, they ain't on the same page as you.

Looks like y'all are in a dillemma. You are forced to choose between race or sex, 'cause 'Bama played the race card too many times.

To quote the famous D'ylan:
How does it feel?

9/04/2008 06:20:00 AM  
Blogger River Cocytus said...

will - with Bush, I think he misjudged his role and calling. I think he thought he should patiently endure when actually it is more likely he needed to fight like a bulldog. Although perhaps he will be shown to have been right in the long run.

9/04/2008 06:59:00 AM  
Blogger julie said...

ge,
"the last 16 years the White House has been hostessed by 2 Scorpios: Hillary & Laura"

Heh - and they couldn't be more different. Just goes to show, to me, that astrology ain't worth a whole lot.

But then, as a scorpio myself, I don't mind being grouped in with Laura. Hillary, otoh, ech...

9/04/2008 07:32:00 AM  
Blogger Van said...

As an incidental note of curiousity, if you look at the old myths, the Hero always seem to come on the seen, unlook for, and by surprise, from the unthought of hinterlands.

To quote pDummy "Alaska...Alaska?!...Alaska!"

Yep. Alaska.

Just interesting.

9/04/2008 07:59:00 AM  
Anonymous will said...

Julie, ge -

Astrological charts are MUCH more complex than sun-sign readings.

McCain is virgo sun-sign, but he's got a ton of mars and pluto influence in his chart - the guy is a warrior, a service-oriented warrior.

And truth is, BHO's chart shows considerable virgo influence, not just a leo orientation.

9/04/2008 08:12:00 AM  
Blogger Van said...

Not to stick up for Noonan, but after listening to the clip, and doing a bit of hunting, seems to me, she was more criticizing the Rep Party, than Palin... seemed a bit selective of MSNBC to leak out that clip... but then again, serves her right for dealing with such a hack outfit.

9/04/2008 08:42:00 AM  
Blogger ge said...

true perhaps, will! I have a poetic/Rudhyarian love of the Art, and have found just keeping track of peoples' Sunsigns yields revelations a-plenty: i can oft tell strangers' sunsigns or Elements from their tattoos, themes in their art or writing etc, as well as their appearance or bearing [considered to be rising sign-indicated...]

Julie: Scorp. is one of the 4 'Avatar' signs [w/ Leo, Aqu, & Taurus]... some great artists, musicians, many current actresses [Julia Roberts, Winona, Demi, Roseanne!] are Scorpio's [Rudhyar's Scorp-attribution 'The release of power from above' relates to White House perhaps]

9/04/2008 10:01:00 AM  
Blogger River Cocytus said...

If astrology helps you understand that you are made for a time and place and for a task, then so be it. As for me, I am required to reject it.

Of course, clicking on my profile will reveal what sign I am. I think Will said something about 'Fire' before - Nov 19th, 1982.

I go where I must - my stars and signs are those whom they are mystical symbols for - the saints and holy mothers and fathers.

9/04/2008 10:33:00 AM  
Blogger ge said...

hola Riv:
you're a day earlier than Biden, a couple cuspers [as am I, in Feb.]

Astrology has shown me that 12 identifiable Archetypes work through us from our core, we embody their characteristics & tendencies, are THEIR expressions in ways we may not be aware of.

9/05/2008 10:29:00 AM  

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